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xManofGoD Vortininja Posts: 39 (3/3/03 10:57 pm) 4.60.250.165 Reply \| Edit \| Del All	id Software and the Keen Level Editor. I've seen a lot of talk about id releasing a new Keen, but I have yet to see anyone make a serious attempt to contact id through it's business channels to see if they would release the Keen level editors. If a serious attempt was made and id was impressed enough by the response, they might be moved to release it or them. The attempt would have to be well planned, and use the Public Commander Keen forum and other TOP keen sites to show id that there is still enough interest in the games to release them. I open this post to organize the people and then to elect a representative (NOT ME) to contact id with the proposal.
Scizor CT Vorticon Elite Posts: 335 (3/3/03 11:19 pm) 67.34.168.31 Reply \| Edit \| Del	Re: id Software and the Keen Level Editor. Hmm... This would really be nice if they decide to give it up, but it would take a lot of sweet-talking. The source code itself would be really nice, come to think of it. Then again, this idea remids me a lot of the Jazz Jackrabbit community. They've been trying to get the Jazz 2 source code for years, and actually had it promised to them, but thanks to legal gridlock, they still don't have it. The release of JJ GBA didn't help any, I'm sure. Still, I'm willing to give it a go. My Remixes: Here! Click here!
Frenkel Vortininja Posts: 170 (3/3/03 11:52 pm) 131.155.209.197 Reply \| Edit \| Del	Re: id Software and the Keen Level Editor. id Software? Keen Level Editor? You mean Ted5? Groeten van Frenkel Visit The Official S&F Prod. Homepage at http://www.sfprod.cjb.net
KeenRush Garg Posts: 2475 (3/4/03 4:29 am) 212.246.17.130 Reply \| Edit \| Del	Re: id Software and the Keen Level Editor. Interesting.. Greetings from Bloogton Tower!
S3 Vortininja Posts: 72 (3/4/03 6:19 am) 203.109.254.59 Reply \| Edit \| Del	Re: id Software and the Keen Level Editor. Ted5 was used to make the keen levels, and we've got it going fine for commander keen however having the source code would be nice hey, wasn't there once someone who said they HAD it off a warez site or something? maybe someone should search thru the older posts, find that person, and try to get the code out of them!
Djaser Vorticon Elite Posts: 999 (3/4/03 1:27 pm) 212.92.76.33 Reply \| Edit \| Del	Re: id Software and the Keen Level Editor. We should do that -----Djaser est un nation prétendue neutre mais, dans la réalité, il ne l'est pas car il n'arrête pas d'être envahie par les uns et sauvés par les autres. Djaser est normalement régie par une féodalité...-----
KeenRush Garg Posts: 2480 (3/4/03 4:01 pm) 212.246.17.130 Reply \| Edit \| Del	Re: id Software and the Keen Level Editor. Hmmm.. I don't think that you can't find Keen source code anywhere.. I think that if it would be there, many would know about that. Greetings from Bloogton Tower!
xManofGoD Vortininja Posts: 40 (3/4/03 4:11 pm) 4.60.250.165 Reply \| Edit \| Del	Re: id Software and the Keen Level Editor. Funny how everyone here whines and complains about the "keen" issue, and someone like S3 comes along and says the following: "Ted5 was used to make the keen levels, and we've got it going fine for commander keen"....."hey, wasn't there once someone who said they HAD it (source code) off a warez site or something?" I've given you a clear direct course of action to follow, to show id that there is still a commanding force of users wanting more keen. Or who at least want the official id software supported code/editor. I can tell you this, if I was id considering this request I would investigate the site making the request, and if I saw things like "source code on a Warez site" I would promptly say NO. The true keen fans need to come together and shoot this kind of stuff down. Otherwise all this forum is going to have to talk about is...Gee I wonder when id will put out a new keen game. Good luck and get busy.
KeenRush Garg Posts: 2483 (3/4/03 7:12 pm) 212.246.17.130 Reply \| Edit \| Del	Re: id Software and the Keen Level Editor. You're right.. Well, what should we do? Greetings from Bloogton Tower!
Grelphy Vortininja Posts: 122 (3/4/03 8:14 pm) 12.23.198.254 Reply \| Edit \| Del	Re: id Software and the Keen Level Editor. 1. Email ID. Send them the internet adresses of a bunch of cool Keen sites, etc. 2. Email ID. Send them (good) Keen artwork, custom levels, etc. to give them a creative boost. 3. Email ID. Send them source code to potential new Keens. Send them Keen fangames. Manufacture Keen 7 for them, and let them release it! No good company can resist the offer of free money. 4. Don't forget who layed all this out... You and all those other mental wimps deserve to die! -Mortimer Mcmire in Commander Keen 3
Scizor CT Vorticon Elite Posts: 336 (3/4/03 8:54 pm) 67.34.171.92 Reply \| Edit \| Del	Re: id Software and the Keen Level Editor. 5. Don't forget who mentioned the source code in the first place. Unfortunately, there's definately going to be some legal gridlock to wade through in case this ever even gets close to happening. Still, what does ID plan to do with twelve-year-old code anyway? My Remixes: Here! Click here! Edited by: Scizor CT at: 3/4/03 8:54:45 pm
xManofGoD Vortininja Posts: 41 (3/4/03 10:14 pm) 4.60.250.165 Reply \| Edit \| Del	Re: id Software and the Keen Level Editor. Sorry Grelphy...all wrong. There should be some sort of Information Gathering team working on all info needed to present to id. Remember this is a Public Keen Forum. Then once all info is gathered, hold an election to pick ONE representative to contact id. That should be the only point person who tries to contact id. You NEVER want to send countless emails to developers like id...cause they will get pissed off and blow it all off. Remember the main objective is to get the source/editor so that cool new keen NON-RETAIL/Freeware games can be released to the keen community. NOT to get the rights to release Keen 7. If there is any mention of a Keen 7 or designing a new retail Keen...id will shoot it down! I'll be happy to provide tips. Keep Focused!
Yorpy Foob Posts: 426 (3/5/03 3:47 am) 209.86.222.47 Reply \| Edit \| Del	Re: id Software and the Keen Level Editor. Like what sort of info should be gathered? Examples of mods and fangames that already have been made? So we just want to show them the potential of what can be created if we had the source/editor?
S3 Vortininja Posts: 79 (3/5/03 4:38 am) 203.109.254.59 Reply \| Edit \| Del	Re: id Software and the Keen Level Editor. yes, that would work fine... make sure you only throw in the keen games that are worth anything, such as: ROAYS Isis 2 RKP2 Vorticon VI(not the original, the redone one) Commander Pang(hey, it IS a good idea) Keen Psychodelic(if anyone can find it - apart from Isis2 and maybe RKP1, it's the only game with hanging onto ledges) KeenPlus(AFAIK, the only keens1-3 based game) and so on as for the mods, get all of them together! and i think Chogall, eK or Flaose should be the one to send the stuff off to ID... not Chogall, he seems to be getting less interested in keen every day, but eK or Flaose would do good i think
KeenRush Garg Posts: 2487 (3/5/03 6:40 am) 212.246.17.130 Reply \| Edit \| Del	Re: id Software and the Keen Level Editor. Did you know that Chogall isn't a kid who have almost whole day to spend in front of computer? He student or working somewhere or both of them, so I bet he doesn't have too much spare time.. I'm not sure what he means, but I think that the stuff should be original Keen related, like mods, not fan game stuff.. Dunno. Greetings from Bloogton Tower!
chogall Vorticon Elder Posts: 1232 (3/5/03 8:45 am) 217.70.229.196 Reply \| Edit \| Del ezSupporter	Re: id Software and the Keen Level Editor. I seem to remember that some years ago, id was planning to release the Keen source code like they did for Wolfenstein 3D. However, that never came to happen. If we could give them some good reasons, they might consider releasing it! I think xManOfGod's idea of a "brainstorming" is quite good. What I think we need to show them is that there is an active online community of people interested in Keen, and that we have potential to do great stuff. That does not only mean mods, but also fan art, the Keen calendar, etc. I have saved most of the Keen fan art that that's been posted here, and I'm going to put it up on CC314 (if I have time, this evening). I suggest that anyone who has an idea of information that can be used post it here. And if you don't object, I suggest that the official request could be made by the CC314 team. Oh, and S3, please try to be constructive. We don't need those kinds of inane comments you've posted until now.
xManofGoD Vortininja Posts: 42 (3/5/03 5:22 pm) 4.60.250.165 Reply \| Edit \| Del	Re: id Software and the Keen Level Editor. Chogall: Great response...you have hit the nail on the head...every one take your lead from Chogall! He sounds like he is taking lead here. Remember id isn't going to have time to play mods...they don't care about that. However, they may take the time to look at the links to all the fan sites. I think listing the mods, and having links to them will be enough as well as the links to any art or add-on stuff. It has to be done in a professional manner, and look professional too. Remember, most of the huge fans of keen are thought to be children, and if it appears that this is only "children" making the request, they more than likely will ignore the request.
KeenRush Garg Posts: 2491 (3/5/03 6:41 pm) 212.246.17.130 Reply \| Edit \| Del	Re: id Software and the Keen Level Editor. Ok.. I've got one idea to tell them: The Keen Awards! *Quote:* And if you don't object, I suggest that the official request could be made by the CC314 team. Agree totally! That's the best way, I think. Greetings from Bloogton Tower!
Forge315 Grand Intellect Posts: 1304 (3/6/03 1:22 am) 68.106.137.215 Reply \| Edit \| Del	. This could possibly hurt Tom getting the Keen rights. Which is worth more, Tom getting Keen in a few years or code/editor? Both are just vague possibilities, though since we’ve gotten little over the years I’m gonna say this could be a good thing. A suggestion or two, 1- If they do come to a website or two, the forum would probably be one, I suggest a flashy face lift; make it dark an ic – just kidding. 2- You might want to mention the Keen chat room somewhere. 3 - My dinners is ready, so I’ll just be saying good luck for now.
xManofGoD Vortininja Posts: 43 (3/6/03 4:20 am) 4.60.250.165 Reply \| Edit \| Del	Re: . Forge315: your comment about Tom getting the rights is so dumb. Try to even come up with 1 intellegent reason why this would interfere with that happening. I bet you can't. Get busy everyone!
Scizor CT Vorticon Elite Posts: 338 (3/6/03 4:26 am) 65.82.173.79 Reply \| Edit \| Del	Re: . I think he was talking about the whole "people stil have an interest in Keen" thing. Anyone know the sales figures on Keen GBC? I personally hope it bombed. My Remixes: Here! Click here!
Forge315 Grand Intellect Posts: 1311 (3/6/03 5:35 am) 68.106.137.215 Reply \| Edit \| Del	. If this email that we’re to send them is to get iD thinking that Keen isn’t a lost cause and there’s reason to release the code or whatnot. Then we could cause a sliding affect that influences iD to have another handheld (disaster) Keen game made. If there’s a market then iD may want to use it. You probably know more than me about such things, so I’m probably wrong. Edited by: Forge315 at: 3/6/03 5:37:37 am
xManofGoD Vortininja Posts: 44 (3/6/03 10:27 pm) 4.60.250.165 Reply \| Edit \| Del	Re: . Read the original post. Source code/level editor for the fans to make Freeware/add-ons only for the fans to enjoy. Not for retail sale....
Scizor CT Vorticon Elite Posts: 339 (3/7/03 12:32 am) 67.34.171.78 Reply \| Edit \| Del	Re: . We really aren't a big enough community for ID to think about making another official game based on us alone. I doubt that asking for the source code would have any bearing on acquiring the rights. My Remixes: Here! Click here!
xManofGoD Vortininja Posts: 45 (3/7/03 6:02 pm) 4.60.250.165 Reply \| Edit \| Del	Re: . Scizor CT: Finally a voice or reason. Very good point...I've been trying since signing up on this system to get everyone to see that. Of course now, We are unfocused. Everyone get back on track and get to work!
Djaser Holy Monk Yorp Posts: 1026 (3/9/03 10:21 am) 212.92.76.33 Reply \| Edit \| Del	Re: . *Quote:* Remember id isn't going to have time to play mods...they don't care about that. However, they may take the time to look at the links to all the fan sites. I think listing the mods, and having links to them will be enough as well as the links to any art or add-on stuff. It has to be done in a professional manner, and look professional too. Wait if I understand it well: I should continue making my mod and make good concept art screenshots so that iD don't need to play it? -----Djaser est un nation prétendue neutre mais, dans la réalité, il ne l'est pas car il n'arrête pas d'être envahie par les uns et sauvés par les autres. Djaser est normalement régie par une féodalité...-----
xManofGoD Vortininja Posts: 46 (3/9/03 4:45 pm) 4.60.245.11 Reply \| Edit \| Del	Re: . Djaser: somehow during all this time id hasn't come forward to create any new keen titles, or released it's source/editor with support. Gee I wonder why...they have moved on to bigger things...I've said this in every post I've made about id. For them Keen isn't a profitable IP. they will be impressed with the content of the proposal. But they won't play it....they don't have time for that....I'm starting to feel sorry that I posted this venture...I'm used to dealing with people in the games industry who understand what is going on, and want to attack an issue, not mess around and ask dumb questions and post pointless comments and point to warez sites. This is like working for a company who has to have a meeting to discuss every little point....and nothing ever gets done. We are several replies into this post...and I've only seen one thing posted that shows some action.....I'm requesting that this topic be closed.
Djaser Holy Monk Yorp Posts: 1032 (3/9/03 5:49 pm) 212.92.76.33 Reply \| Edit \| Del	Re: . uch uche have you read my post. I know that they don't have time to play my mod. I was just trying to ask how I could help. Perhaps I didn't understant well what you wanted us to do. Things like that can happen, remember that English is NOT my first language. -----Djaser est un nation prétendue neutre mais, dans la réalité, il ne l'est pas car il n'arrête pas d'être envahie par les uns et sauvés par les autres. Djaser est normalement régie par une féodalité...-----
eK Isonian Posts: 1068 (4/7/03 3:19 am) 143.109.91.236 Reply \| Edit \| Del	Re: id Software and the Keen Level Editor. I just noticed this topic while wading through closed topics. I took it upon myself to contact Todd Hollenshed about this -- I'm not sure if he's the right person, but I don't remember everyone in id and all their positions and couldn't find a list of their emails at in the finger section of Bluesnews like I used to. I've emailed Carmack before and not gotten a response, so I figured I'd try someone else -- even though he wasn't part of id at the time... I showed id 3 of the communities best keen related creations, Shadowlands, Commander Keen: 10 Years on, and Isis. As well as providing links to cc314, commanderkeen.net, and this forum. I'll update you guys on my progress with contacting id, and I think xManofGoD for the idea.
KeenRush Garg Posts: 3012 (4/7/03 3:40 am) 212.246.17.130 Reply \| Edit \| Del	Re: id Software and the Keen Level Editor. Good to hear! Greetings from Bloogton Tower!
Djaser Holy Monk Yorp Posts: 1259 (4/7/03 8:02 am) 212.92.76.33 Reply \| Edit \| Del	Re: id Software and the Keen Level Editor. Great eK we still ahd to try it. -----Djaser est un nation prétendue neutre mais, dans la réalité, il ne l'est pas car il n'arrête pas d'être envahie par les uns et sauvés par les autres. Djaser est normalement régie par une féodalité...-----
Scizor CT Council Janitor Posts: 390 (4/7/03 8:17 pm) 65.82.173.23 Reply \| Edit \| Del	Re: id Software and the Keen Level Editor. I was hoping that this wouldn't just die out. I wish you luck! salutes My Remixes: Here! Click here!
Ckmaster Grunt Posts: 26 (4/8/03 6:57 pm) 195.92.198.71 Reply \| Edit \| Del	hmm... right, i am all for any ideas that even remotely have a chance at improving ID's attitudes towards keen. i think xmanofgod is over reactin a tad, no disrepect but i think you need to understand that you are not dealing with a software team (or whatever) you are dealing with people as low as the age of 14 (maybe lower) and from many different countries from all over the world. some ideas may be futile but still flaming them about wont help any! and not giving up is something that the will of a teenager has! however there are many of us who are much more older and experienced (not to dis the younger amoung us! im only 16) and who do have good ideas! you should be more patient and wait... im sure by the end of this we will have a solution what with the combined knowledge of the experiwenced and also the radical views of the youthful we are sure to resolve this eventually. peronally i have little knowledge over the matter but am ever learning thanx to the contributers of this forum. i hope the contacter of id is successful and i believe we should await their response before further action is taken, however there is no harm in planing what to do nxt! to all of you thanx and to all of you goodnite! (its evening over here) Later
Grelphy Vortininja Posts: 231 (4/8/03 7:11 pm) 12.23.198.254 Reply \| Edit \| Del	Re: hmm... Finally, this is back! Some suggestions. Flaming certaintly won't help, but be sure to say so if you think that a method is doomed to failure. We don't want to be doomed to failure! And try not to be too derogatory or negative about id, because they certaintly won't see that in a positive light. You and all those other mental wimps deserve to die! -Mortimer Mcmire in Commander Keen 3
eK Isonian Posts: 1079 (4/8/03 7:19 pm) 143.109.91.236 Reply \| Edit \| Del	Re: hmm... CKmaster, I think you're giving the young too much credit... When the young are said to be imaginative and full of fire and interesting ideas -- they aren't talking about 14 year olds... they're talking about 20-30 somethings in the job market. There are very few people here of the age of 14 that I have found to be, at the very least, bright. Fixed another one of those pesky grammatical errors - Flaose Edited by: Flaose at: 4/8/03 10:31:10 pm
Scizor CT Council Janitor Posts: 391 (4/8/03 9:15 pm) 65.82.173.23 Reply \| Edit \| Del	Re: hmm... I'm trying to decide if I should take offense at that. My Remixes: Here! Click here!
Djaser Holy Monk Yorp Posts: 1266 (4/9/03 7:30 am) 212.92.76.33 Reply \| Edit \| Del	Re: hmm... Aaah don't bother it just one year you aren't bright If you are younger or older you are . Besides you are not alone: I am Keen, NephariteofIlian, Grelphy, Commanderclown, TherealDopefish, Xtraverse, and Canthilian aren't bright too. (This is sarcasme) -----Djaser est un nation prétendue neutre mais, dans la réalité, il ne l'est pas car il n'arrête pas d'être envahie par les uns et sauvés par les autres. Djaser est normalement régie par une féodalité...-----
Xtraverse Stranded Fish Posts: 1952 (4/9/03 9:08 am) 24.48.163.42 Reply \| Edit \| Del	Re: hmm... After age four you start getting stupider. That's why baaba's still four.
eK Isonian Posts: 1086 (4/9/03 8:17 pm) 143.109.91.236 Reply \| Edit \| Del	Re: hmm... Hehe, for those uninformed, that's a #keeners inside joke. Anyhoo. Here's the deal. No word from Todd Hollenshed. I'm consulting Tom Hall about emailing Carmack about it. I'm going to focus on the rights issue.
KeenRush Ten posts a day keeps the doctor away! Posts: 3042 (4/10/03 10:52 am) 212.246.17.130 Reply \| Edit \| Del	Re: hmm... Oh.. And oh, too bad.. Hope he answers.. Greetings from Bloogton Tower!
Djaser Holy Monk Yorp Posts: 1278 (4/11/03 7:53 pm) 212.92.76.33 Reply \| Edit \| Del	Re: hmm... Aah that ***. They even don't want to make time for us. -----Djaser est un nation prétendue neutre mais, dans la réalité, il ne l'est pas car il n'arrête pas d'être envahie par les uns et sauvés par les autres. Djaser est normalement régie par une féodalité...-----
KeenCommander Vorticon Elite Posts: 636 (4/12/03 4:06 am) 66.19.50.162 Reply \| Edit \| Del	Re: hmm... Believe it or not, they DO respond--sometimes. I just recently got an email reply to a message I'd sent Bobby Prince more than a month ago. Happily surprised.
0 UNFLEEXABLE 0 Vorticon Elite Posts: 382 (4/12/03 8:46 am) 202.7.209.127 Reply \| Edit \| Del	Re: hmm... yeah, i agree with all of the above comments. there are even more commander keen fans out there. Let alone the people on the internet. I know a whole bunch of friends and cousins who loved the game in the past but they only had the shareware versions and so on and almost forgot about the whole thing because iD discontinued it. (stopped making more) But making a new keen game with the same engine is a ridiculuously stupid idea. Jazz2 was made in 1998. And that was one of the most recently released side-scrollers that i could remember for the pc (which was outrageously popular). Thq are releasing a lot of side-scrollers for the pc/gba/gbc lately, but I haven't tried any of them thus far. So iD software should still make it a side-scroller but make it a lot more advanced. And if the cover of the game will be as ugly as the gbc one,(Freckle FACED KEEN! YUCK!) they shouldn't expect to sell it. TMST is IMHO an expert at making posters an stuff. I wish I could make stuff like that.
Flaose Pooper, King of the Slugs Posts: 922 (4/12/03 12:55 pm) 68.147.124.200 Reply \| Edit \| Del	Re: hmm... Erm...Keen had freckles in the Keen 4 titlescreen. *Quote:* Originally Posted by: KeenCommander Believe it or not, they DO respond--sometimes. I just recently got an email reply to a message I'd sent Bobby Prince more than a month ago. Happily surprised. Yeah, but Prince isn't from id, he's freelance. -------------------- Cerebral Cortex 314 - For All of your Commander Keen Needs.
xManofGoD Vortininja Posts: 50 (4/12/03 6:25 pm) 4.60.251.199 Reply \| Edit \| Del	Re: hmm... "Jazz2 was made in 1998. And that was one of the most recently released side-scrollers that i could remember for the pc (which was outrageously popular)." Let me remind you that this is the first Gathering of Developers release, and what you call "outrageously popular", publishers and developers would call it an "under performer". I know what the sell through was for Jazz2, but not willing to disclose corporate info. I'm sure id knows too because of the industry reports that are generated, and what all of you would consider to be huge money is but a drop in the bucket for id and other developers. Even DNMP wasn't that big of a sell through item. Side scrolling platformers are a good developers starting point for programming, but will never pay the bills in the long run...even if the IP is really strong.
Djaser Holy Monk Yorp Posts: 1293 (4/12/03 6:56 pm) 212.92.76.33 Reply \| Edit \| Del	Re: hmm... But what about Rayman that's a 3D platform game and didn't it sell well? -----Djaser est un nation prétendue neutre mais, dans la réalité, il ne l'est pas car il n'arrête pas d'être envahie par les uns et sauvés par les autres. Djaser est normalement régie par une féodalité...-----
Scizor CT Council Janitor Posts: 405 (4/12/03 7:10 pm) 67.34.170.115 Reply \| Edit \| Del	Re: hmm... I fear that the day of the mainstream 2D platformer is all but dead. The only platformers that can still sell well in 2D are either GBA games or in a series that's been around since the beginning of modern console gaming (i.e. Castlevania). My Remixes: Here! Click here!
keen dude from mars Grunt Posts: 4 (4/12/03 9:27 pm) 80.225.133.51 Reply \| Edit \| Del	something yea bt i recently started sending keen 4 2 all of ma m8s n they had nva herd of it b4 n still they all loved it so perhaps theres still hope.......
KeenRush SpamMaster9000 Posts: 3062 (4/13/03 5:19 am) 62.165.128.201 Reply \| Edit \| Del	Re: something Let's hope so. Oh, and welcome to the board! Greetings from Bloogton Tower!
KeenCommander Vorticon Elite Posts: 639 (4/13/03 10:08 pm) 66.19.50.219 Reply \| Edit \| Del	Re: hmm... *Quote:* Yeah, but Prince isn't from id, he's freelance. Good point. I guess I kinda grouped him with id cuz he worked on the music for so many of their early titles. hehe

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