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What to
do?
What to do indeed...
I have *noticed* that ever since I've
been here, there has been a growing tension between eK and I. A
tension which I unfortunately do not understand. A tension which, if
left to grow, will, I think, cause great damage in the future not
only between he and I, but also collaterally. A tension which I do
not know how to resolve. I've been racking my brain lately and have
come up with 3 possible solutions.
Option #1 – Gather up the
scattered pieces of the relationship between eK and I and try to fit
them back together.
I once entertained this thought, but soon
dropped it. Too many pieces are missing; too many pieces are
damaged; too many pieces have been destroyed. Our 'relationship' is
'beyond salvage.'
Option #2 – Cut my sails, point my bow to
the wind, hunker down, and hope for the best.
An option which
looks very appealing at this time. Yes, at this time, but every hint
of hope quickly dissolves as I gaze out upon the waters and foresee
only stormy seas ahead.
Option #3 – Learn when to quit. Know
when it's more profitable to turn around rather than attempt to
weather the storm.
Seems to me, that this is the best
possible solution. A solution, which would, in my opinion, cease all
further damage. With me gone, you could simply go back to the happy
little utopia that I assume you once were. *no sarcasm intended*
I have chosen option #3. My stay here will only cause more
trouble for me and more irritation for the administrators. The
Uppy/Shadow thing was, I believe, just one of the first gusts of
wind before the storm. A skirmish before the impending battle. A
skirmish in which I made enemies of the only 3 active
administrators. Not a wise choice, but unavoidable, in my opinion.
As it is now, I'm just a thorn in their side. Leaving will just save
them the trouble of having to ban me. The sooner I leave, the better
for all.
Maybe I'm just being a pessimist; Maybe I'm
short-sighted. In any case, this is how I see things and I believe
that I have chosen the best possible solution. Who knows, maybe in
five or so years I'll come back and see if you guys are still
around, but until then:
Farewell,
Many thanks for all
the good times I've had,
My deepest apologies for all the trouble
I've caused,
Andrew (Uppy)
Note: If you have any
questions or comments please e-mail me at 'uppyii at yahoo dot
com.'
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Oy. Could we just maybe,
possibly
opt for a peace agreement and drop the whole subject? Lock and/or
remove the current discussions about it, and just be civil in the
future. You may not like each other, but you can still coexist
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*cough* It has never been a utopia, but it is a tolerable
inquisition. "Bring out the fluffy pillows! Ahhaha!"
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/me rolls his eyes.
You have a flair for drama there Uppy.
You should work in the biz.
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Nice poetry. Are you considering a career as a writer or a poet?
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Hey why couldn't you guys not only one time being nice for him? He
leaves and won't return so you could at least say goodbye to him. I
disagree his decision but I respect it and so should you guys do.
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il ne l'est pas car il n'arrête pas d'être envahie par les uns et
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That's kind of sad..
Hope more members doesn't leave ever..
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If the policy here doesn't change: unavoidable 
-----Djaser est un nation prétendue neutre mais, dans la réalité,
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The policy? What policy?
And does this mean "Shadow" will be
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If Uppy has a problem with things and leaves, that's up to
him.
Personally, I don't feel that he contributed to the
community in any way, and I don't really care whether or not he
leaves.
As opposed to people like Adurdin, Ilsoap, or TMST
who continually support our community with their fan
creations.
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He'll be back...they always come back.
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Heh, I glanced at your sig for a second Flaose, and I thought it
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eK wrote:
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Personally, I don't feel that he contributed to the community
in any way, and I don't really care whether or not he leaves.
What an attitude!
Everyone
who has been a member of this board for any length of time has
contributed to the community -- not least due to the definition of
community...
I am distressed to see that Uppy felt leaving
was the best choice, after his disagreement with the admins. I hope
the same won't happen to more people.
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I don't visit the Misc. forums very often, and so I haven't read
the applicable threads to this. The only thing I remember reading of
Uppy's was some of his arguments in Christianity vs. Atheism stuff,
and I found some of his points quite convincing. I'm not sure what
this is exactly about, but it's always sad to see and intelligent
person leave.
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And does this mean "Shadow" will be leaving as well?
No, I will not be
leaving for a while yet. Although, now that there is no one here who
I know, I'm not as interested in this forum.
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He'll be back...they always come back.
Unfortunately not this
time, Flaose. He has talked to me about leaving for some time now.
He won't be back.
I have been busy lately, that's why I
haven't posted in a while. I'll see you all later.
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You don't have to contribute through games.
But I still felt
like he didn't ad anything.
Perhaps an alternative view
point, but maybe if he'd argued it better I'd feel like he added
something, but I don't.
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Re: What to
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Quote:
Personally, I don't feel that he contributed to the community in
any way,
Neither do you exept or
do you see trolling as a contributen
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and I don't really care whether or not he leaves.
That's your opinion. The
good goes first the evil stay forever. *lol*
Quote:
Everyone who has been a member of this board for any length of
time has contributed to the community -- not least due to the
definition of community...
Excellent point or do
you always want to talk with people of your own intelligence
eK?
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Re: What to
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Djaser, do you know who's heading the Isis project as well as doing
the majority of the art for it? If that's not a contribution, I
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Yeah right that's your definition. Isis will be a great game sure,
but there are more great fangames. I don't think Isis will change
the Keen community. But all right you can call it contribution. But
I don't think you can call trolling is a real contribution. He does
more bad than good things for this community. And I've had more than
enough of that guy.
-----Djaser est un nation prétendue neutre mais, dans la réalité,
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Re: What to
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Really? What other fangames are as good as Isis?
And I don't
think eK was trolling, I think he just has his own way of expressing
his frustration in trying to deal with complete morons.
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Really? What other fangames are as good as Isis?
ROAYS, mods, your
fangame, perhaps they don't have a engine and graphics that match
Isis but they sure are fun to play.
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And I don't think eK was trolling, I think he just has his own
way of expressing his frustration in trying to deal with complete
morons.
Lol, kind of pathetic
don't you think. If they are morons than you don't need to go to
that topic. Like Uppy leaves this board because he doesn't want to
fight wit eK anymore. I think that that decission is a lot better.
-----Djaser est un nation prétendue neutre mais, dans la réalité,
il ne l'est pas car il n'arrête pas d'être envahie par les uns et
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:(
There is no community without members.. Every member is
needed..
And who knows, maybe he could have done something in the
future?
Well, maybe this isn't good place for intelligent
person.
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Lol you're saying eK should leave
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Re: :(
Djaser, that's what you seemed to be implying one or two posts of
yours back...
But in any case, I think that intelligent
people, and people who are at least smart enough to try to get
smarter / become more intelligent, are the ones who define such a
community as this.
Sure, some people have "handicaps", either
of expression (especially in the cases of people for whom English is
not a first language), or of comprehension, or of ... oh, call it
"understanding" or "empathy" (by which I mean the ability to see
where another person's coming from, and why they may be saying the
things they do) ... like I said, there will be people who lack these
attributes, but hopefully they will be open to correction from
"smart" or "intelligent" people, as long as the correction is
aligned with decent standards of use.
In a place like this,
the ultimate "god" is whoever is paying for it, and the ultimate
lawgivers are those whom the "god" appoints.
Savvy?
So
why don't we end the "discussion" (which I might easily call
"argument" or even "bickering") on this topic, which doesn't seem to
be providing anything useful or pleasing, before one of these
all-powerful "lawgivers" gets too fed up, and start posting in
better places.
'Nough said.
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Djaser, that's what you seemed to be implying one or two posts of
yours back...
I know I still have that
opinion. But I had the impression that Keenrush tried to say
something else.]
Quote:
Sure, some people have "handicaps", either of expression
(especially in the cases of people for whom English is not a first
language), or of comprehension, or of ... oh, call it
"understanding" or "empathy" (by which I mean the ability to see
where another person's coming from, and why they may be saying the
things they do) ... like I said, there will be people who lack
these attributes, but hopefully they will be open to correction
from "smart" or "intelligent" people, as long as the correction is
aligned with decent standards of use.
I'm always open to
criticism however that is not the same as bullying what
NephariteofIlian is doing.
We have asked eK multiply times to
stop with trolling, so perhaps spamming is a better word for what's
eK doing in some topics.
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Quote:
Original post by Djaser
We have asked eK multiply
times to stop with trolling, so perhaps spamming is a better word
for what's eK doing in some topics.
Dude! eK is, quoting from my
earlier post, one of the "lawgivers". He's an administrator. What he
says and does are untouchable to everyone but higher authority,
namely a group decision by the rest of the admins.
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I don't give a ***** shit. He should know as an admin where to
stop. His behave is an admin unworthy.
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Re: :(
Ooh... naughty language...
Anyway, calling eK a "***** shit"
is trolling too, isn't it? I have a really hard time respecting
hypocrites.
actually, this is in a way trolling...
Quote:
a bit of dissagreement is healthy for a democracy
-thomas jefferson
You
and all those other mental wimps deserve to die!
-Mortimer
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Too bad...Uppy never got around to saying how the Book of Mormon
contradicted the Bible. Oh well...
Quote:
Originally Posted by: Djaser
I'm always open to
criticism however that is not the same as bullying what
NephariteofIlian is doing.
We have asked eK multiply times to
stop with trolling, so perhaps spamming is a better word for
what's eK doing in some topics.
Djaser, being so blatantly
rude to admins is generally a bad idea. Like it or not, eK is a
demi-God around here, and getting him mad at you is
stupid.
Also, your problems with NephariteofIlian is stupid,
groundless, and childish. I don't see what he said to you, but I'm
sure whatever it was was in a joking mood. Drop it. Right now.
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I've not only done Isis, but I did all the interviews cc314 did
with Tom Hall and John Romero. I was the person who initially got
the ball rolling with Tom aquiring all the rights -- as in, he
wouldn't have tried to get them if it weren't for emails I exchanged
with him and Carmack 6+ years ago. I also remade cc314 with the help
of Flaose and Cho'gall.
I've done as much, more even, then
most eveyone here.
What have you done Djaser?
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Anyway, calling eK a "***** shit" is trolling too, isn't it? I
have a really hard time respecting hypocrites.
I didn't call him names
but I'll repeat: I don't give a ***** shit. I didn't say eK is a
**** shit. Anyway you're right to not respect hypocrites but you
read my post wrong.
Quote:
Djaser, being so blatantly rude to admins is generally a bad
idea. Like it or not, eK is a demi-God around here, and getting
him mad at you is stupid.
As you already may have
noticed: I don't give a shit of this is stupid or not.
Quote:
Also, your problems with NephariteofIlian is stupid, groundless,
and childish. I don't see what he said to you, but I'm sure
whatever it was was in a joking mood. Drop it. Right now.
You didn't understant me
here. I didn't try to get a fight with Neph. He's just annoying me
because he keeps putting the same stunt on me. I used this case more
as an example, I shouldn't have done that. I've no problems with him
besides this point.
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What have you done Djaser?
I don't take pride of
doing anything. But I don't rate members as usseless. bwhah you're
right if you say you did more than other member but every member
keeps this board alive. That's what you forget.
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il ne l'est pas car il n'arrête pas d'être envahie par les uns et
sauvés par les autres.
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Yes and now that Uppy's gone this board is going to die 
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with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats you on
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/me looks back in his posts
Were did I say that?
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He’s joking Djaser. 
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bwhah you're right if you say you did more than other member but
every member keeps this board alive. That's what you forget.
That is probably the truest
thing you have ever said. Though I hardly view it with an air of
delight, it is usually best to treat those you talk to nicely,
otherwise the point will be made void by a persons natural reaction
to such talk.
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Too bad...Uppy never got around to saying how the Book of Mormon
contradicted the Bible. Oh well...
You probably would have liked to
give an answer. Could you please answer this, why is it that you
would consider that?
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I don't believe the Book of Mormon ever contradicts the Bible...I
was just interested if Uppy would be able to find something
that he tought would contradict.
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Originally Posted by: Djaser
As you already may have
noticed: I don't give a shit of this is stupid or not.
I guess you won't care if
you get banned for your bad behaviour either...
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Quote:
I guess you won't care if you get banned for your bad behaviour
either...
No, I don't and you
should do that if you disagree with my behaviour because there is no
way I'll change it.
edit: btf I'd like to know before I am
banned what my bad behaviour includes: because I'm very mad with eK?
I always thought there was freedom of opinion?
-----Djaser est un nation prétendue neutre mais, dans la réalité,
il ne l'est pas car il n'arrête pas d'être envahie par les uns et
sauvés par les autres.
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Please no, it won't be as fun if you wouldn't be
around..
Just to add, seems that some others have bad
behaviour "too", even childish.
Like agent Smith always said,
machine is better than human (though I don't know is this correct
place to say it).
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He should know as an admin where to stop. His behave is an admin
unworthy.
Oh god... and where did
you get that opinion from? Admins are allowed to participate in
debates. Everyone is allowed to call people, for example, a "moron."
Any true enforcement of a rule against that would result in a lot of
people getting banned, and that isn't exactly good for a something
that isn't even technically swearing.
Also, you have claimed
many times that eK was "trolling." Let me recite its definition for
you:
Quote:
To post with the sole intent of provoking a fierce reaction; to
incite flames.
You can't say that eK
was merely trying to boil Uppy's anger and turn the thread into a
flame war. He occasionally said himself that he had higher, ablit
weirder, aspirations. You might as well claim that everyone who
participated in the debates was trolling: performing acts that are
unworthy not only of administrators, but also normal users. If that
were true, intelligent discussions should not be allowed, and the
world should fall into stupidity.
Rule number one is
slightly misleading. Who knows where to draw the line between
insultation and harmless words? Drawing the line straight at
name-calling is ineffective, as we've all called someone names -
perhaps not here, but sometime - once in a while. It also wouldn't
be popular; I'm not sure who believes that people should be banned
for calling someone else a moron, and enforcing such a strict rule
would be regarded as nazist, totalitarian, whatever.. Consequently,
I would probably be able to get away with calling you an "idiot"
(not really a serious expression, and we've all been called worse),
if I wanted to, but I wouldn't really be able to use what is
typically considered a swear word, such as "shithead." The fact is:
some bad words have been replaced by other bad words to the point
that the original doesn't seem severe anymore. Words like "idiot"
are therefore not punished. Besides; I'm sure that no nine year old
kids are involved in the serious forum debates - and those who can
understand it probably have been exposed to such language
before.
Uppy and Shadow did quite well in ignoring eK's
superiority complex. Uppy's only mistake was to lose that calmness,
and start to use sarcasm and insult against the administrators,
during the event of his banning. If he had gone directly to the
point, instead of keeping his posts long-winded and sarcastic, I'm
quite sure that he could have kept Flaose and Chogall's neutrality
in the situation, and gotten himself unbanned much more quickly;
just my opinion, though. His posts were, in a small sense, trolling
the boards. Too bad he's gone.
Djaser, any use of swear
words, whether or not it is directed at people, is not
recommendable. It is understandable that you are mad at eK, but it
is also understandable that mods are human, with their personal
feelings, and that most of them can not reject these for the job. It
is typically okay for them not to like someone, so long as they do
not abuse their powers against these people. eK's opinion that Uppy
did not contribute to the community is just that: an opinion,
arguable and rejectable. That is no reason to say that eK is not
performing his function as an admin. The administrator's function is
not to like someone, but to settle disputes (not debates, disputes)
and uphold the forum rules where applicable. True neutrality is
unachievable; everyone will ultimately dislike certain people (with
a few exceptions), and if the administrator were required to let
fall this dislike, there would be very few administrators in the
world indeed. But dude, please stop making swear words, such as
"shit," and the five letter word that was censored ("bitch?"). They
are not even of the "old batch," but are serious, modern, up-to-date
swear words. Simply being mad, and no longer caring what happens
(that feeling comes to me sometimes as well, and the light of a
desperate death shines in my eyes) does not provide any reason to
express that disgruntlement in unanswerable words. It can even be
considered a form of trolling, as swear word begets swear word, and
insults relating to someone usually prompt that someone to come back
and insult in turn. Where did that quote come from again, that
"[something] begets [something] as dog begets dog?" Anyway. We have
a bad enough life without intentionally slowing it down through
bouts of uncontrollable anger. Don't become a Fingolfin, and make a
suicide run towards the dark lord Morgoth, wounding him as much as
possible before dying. Besides, there is a vague, tiny, yet
glimmering possibility that this feeling will pass, and you will
once again feel at home among these forums. Don't do something that
you might regret later. Although, I might say that getting banned
may be the catalyst for getting a better social life, and finally
leaving this game behind (and later, upon reflection, you will be
thankful that you acted rashly upon this point in time)
Do what you will, just don't let anger for eK get in the way of your
reason. He should actually tolerate people calling him a moron. And
even if you don't have the heart to do so, satisfy yourself with
this wise quote:
Quote:
Name calling is not an argument. Name calling is what you do after
you've lost an argument.
-Quizzical
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I could say a lot about that Keenempire but I won't because I'm
tired of this debat so I will leave it.
I guesse I will not being
banned so please don't threat me with that Flaose.
Whatver I
don't take anything back I said because it's my
opinion.
Edit: but I do wan't to disclaime this:
Quote:
But dude, please stop making swear words, such as "shit," and the
five letter word that was censored ("bitch?"
. They are not even of the "old batch," but are serious, modern,
up-to-date swear words.
In fact it didn't mean
anything I just typed some ***
Quote:
Although, I might say that getting banned may be the catalyst for
getting a better social life, and finally leaving this game behind
(and later, upon reflection, you will be thankful that you acted
rashly upon this point in time)
Lol, I don't think I
ever will 
-----Djaser est un nation prétendue neutre mais, dans la réalité,
il ne l'est pas car il n'arrête pas d'être envahie par les uns et
sauvés par les autres.
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Posted by Djaser:
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In fact it didn't mean anything I just typed some ***
Uh..yeah. See the
following:
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I don't give a ***** shit.
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I don't give a ***** shit.
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I didn't say eK is a **** shit.
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I don't give a shit of this is stupid or not.
Never argue
with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats you on
experience -- Mark Twain
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I don't see what you try to say those ***** stand for no real word.
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I don't think there are any five or four letter swear words that
can precede "shit." "Shit" is pretty much bad enough, though.
Alpha, Alpha, before with shouts of
W00t!
Hornets flew there; the light upon the silver Staff Suit,
Fell like black rain upon the bases of the squads of old,
Oh
proud Walls, oh shooting turrets, oh unblocked road for all the
bold!
Alpha, Alpha, will infs behold the silver suit,
Or
bubblegum blow again with cries of happy W00t?
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Are you saying I have to apologize for using the word shit
?
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Well, no one's asking for an apology, really. Just please try not
to use it as a directed insult in the future; that is, keep yourself
in check when you suddenly feel the urge. This goes not only for the
forum, but for real life too, believe it or not. 
I think it's a little more acceptable when you use it as stubbed toe
(as an exclamation: such as when you stub your toe, and cry out, "oh
shit!") although it is probably better, on a visual environment like
the forums, to subsitute a lesser swear word for it (although, if
you're writing a Keen story, well well, your choice 
)
I'm sorry, these are all meant to be merely
recommendations; I actually have no say in the manner. Please
consider them that way, although they look like something alike to
orders. 
Alpha, Alpha, before with shouts of
W00t!
Hornets flew there; the light upon the silver Staff Suit,
Fell like black rain upon the bases of the squads of old,
Oh
proud Walls, oh shooting turrets, oh unblocked road for all the
bold!
Alpha, Alpha, will infs behold the silver suit,
Or
bubblegum blow again with cries of happy W00t?
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Well, no one's asking for an apology, really. Just please try not
to use it as a directed insult in the future; that is, keep
yourself in check when you suddenly feel the urge. This goes not
only for the forum, but for real life too, believe it or not.
You're such a wise guy
I have to say that not much people have seen me ever angry.....
-----Djaser est un nation prétendue neutre mais, dans la réalité,
il ne l'est pas car il n'arrête pas d'être envahie par les uns et
sauvés par les autres.
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Originally Posted by: Djaser
I guesse I will not being
banned so please don't threat me with that Flaose.
Whatver I
don't take anything back I said because it's my opinion.
What you don't seem to
understand is that you don't have the
right to
be here.
Contrary to the forum title, this place truly isn't
public. If you're being a prick, we don't have to put up with
it.
If I think you're not acting appropriately, I'm going to tell
you so, and possibly threaten you with banning if you don't smarten
up. Sure you have freedom of opinion, but only because we let you
have that freedom, and only to a certain extent.
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Djaser, is being an idiot I will give you that, but he does have
rights here. If you really want to disregard that you might as well
ban everybody, because they would most certainly start leaving if
you said things like Hispanics & Jews don’t have the right to be
here. However you probably think they do have such a right and would
argue strongly for it, so there are rights. What then do you mean by
him not having rights?
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Yes, everyone here has rights, but that doesn't mean that they have
the right to be here.
How can I clarify...I'm having a hard
time thinking of examples...I'm using the word 'right' in two
different ways...
Let me put it this way. Everyone here has
the right to be respected, but it is a privilage to be here in the
first place, not a God-given right.
Does anyone understand
what I'm getting at?
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Sure, clear as water to me.
This being an internet forum, no
one has any rights pertaining to it whatsoever. The words and
actions of whoever runs it are law.
If Flaose wants to
threaten to ban Djaser, or even ban him, that's perfectly
unassailable, simply because he has been given that power.
If
you think it's wrong, you can leave; you're merely taking a
privilege for granted anyway, as all too many people do.
I
know this is gonna come across to most people as overly harsh,
dictatorial, and so forth ... I'm just tired of watching all this
happen here anyway and am trying to encourage people to get back to
making posts that contribute something, be it a mere pleasure of
reading (which I have to say this isn't) or a substantial
contribution (which, again, this isn't).
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If we did that though, people would leave and start their own
board. So it is a bit
democratic...
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However, no other board has a chance of taking off, so it's a moot
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The thought is democratic as far as the dictator being careful not
to push the people to so far a point that they revolt. In either
case, yeah, there is pretty much no chance of another forum getting
popular; but as we have pretty good administrators here, I don't
believe we need to worry about that extreme.
Alpha, Alpha, before with shouts of
W00t!
Hornets flew there; the light upon the silver Staff Suit,
Fell like black rain upon the bases of the squads of old,
Oh
proud Walls, oh shooting turrets, oh unblocked road for all the
bold!
Alpha, Alpha, will infs behold the silver suit,
Or
bubblegum blow again with cries of happy W00t?
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I understand, you were just a bit sharp in your tone. I believe in
absolute truths and when you say things like "only because we let
you have that freedom" I get defensive, because it sounds like your
saying that whatever you say goes and that is right for everybody.
Just so long as we both agree, power does not equal right.
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Quote:
Sure you have freedom of opinion, but only because we let you
have that freedom,
duh 
Quote:
Contrary to the forum title, this place truly isn't public. If
you're being a prick, we don't have to put up with it.
If I
think you're not acting appropriately, I'm going to tell you so,
and possibly threaten you with banning if you don't smarten up.
I said I was not going
to smarten up and I asked for the reason if you would ban me. You
however didn't reply so I thought it would be safe to say you
wouldn't ban me.......
-----Djaser est un nation prétendue neutre mais, dans la réalité,
il ne l'est pas car il n'arrête pas d'être envahie par les uns et
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Well..do you guys think I should take Uppy off the member list?
Never argue
with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats you on
experience -- Mark Twain
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Maybe move him to a list of people who have left.
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I think you could Xtraverse and it won't hurt if you're remove S3
too. A lot people members don't post anymore perhaps you should
remove them to.
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