If Tom Hall did get Keen.....

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thenewmoonsidianX Vortininja Posts: 145 (3/15/03 4:36 pm) 63.164.140.71 Reply \| Edit \| Del All	If Tom Hall did get Keen..... If Tom hall did get Keen, he would first make The Universe is Toast! wouldn't he? Now let's think this through logically... Universe is Toast! begins with Episode 7, so when that is released, people will say "What about Episodes 1-6?" Well, the public today will think the Commander Keen episodes 1-6 we know and love will be old run-of-the-mill computer software. So what if Tom Hall remade Episodes 1-6 with better graphics and such to make it as good as however Episode 7-9 would look like? Of course this is all assuming he does get the rights. We've been waiting 11 years!
forest123 Vortininja Posts: 89 (3/15/03 4:40 pm) 24.112.92.20 Reply \| Edit \| Del	Re: If Tom Hall did get Keen..... When he get's it (if he does) he will make it for sure!
KeenRush Garg Posts: 2597 (3/15/03 4:46 pm) 212.246.17.130 Reply \| Edit \| Del	Re: If Tom Hall did get Keen..... Hmmm.. That would be cool, I would like to see them with 256 colours! Greetings from Bloogton Tower!
Xtraverse Stranded Fish Posts: 1629 (3/15/03 5:06 pm) 24.48.163.42 Reply \| Edit \| Del	Re: If Tom Hall did get Keen..... Keenrush, you're still in the Stone Age Tom Hall says he wants to make CK3D if he gets the rights. I'd assume he'd use UT for the plot. Edited by: Xtraverse at: 3/15/03 5:07:04 pm
TheOmegamatic Vortininja Posts: 196 (3/15/03 5:41 pm) 213.250.23.90 Reply \| Edit \| Del	Re: If Tom Hall did get Keen..... Hmmm, Keen would be nice in 3D if it was to be something like Rockman X7... Now don't ask me how that looks, explore for yourselves.
Djaser Holy Monk Yorp Posts: 1065 (3/15/03 6:17 pm) 212.92.76.33 Reply \| Edit \| Del	Re: If Tom Hall did get Keen..... Or better like Ramyan!!! -----Djaser est un nation prétendue neutre mais, dans la réalité, il ne l'est pas car il n'arrête pas d'être envahie par les uns et sauvés par les autres. Djaser est normalement régie par une féodalité...-----
KeenRush Garg Posts: 2602 (3/15/03 7:29 pm) 212.246.17.130 Reply \| Edit \| Del	Re: If Tom Hall did get Keen..... I know, but I still would love to see it with 256 colours! Greetings from Bloogton Tower!
S3 Vortininja Posts: 174 (3/15/03 7:38 pm) 203.109.254.59 Reply \| Edit \| Del	Re: If Tom Hall did get Keen..... And with Level Editors! And in WINDOWS! And, although it wouldn't affect me, it may help other people: AND IN AS MANY OTHER OPERATING SYSTEMS AS POSSIBLE! By the way, did you know that the classic game "Lemmings" would have easily sucseeded in that last one - the only operating system it isn't on that anyone's complained about it not being on is Unix http://scomps.freehomepage.com/ <---S-Computers Home Page
0 UNFLEEXABLE 0 Vortininja Posts: 256 (3/16/03 2:36 am) 203.213.80.89 Reply \| Edit \| Del	Re: If Tom Hall did get Keen..... I'd love to roam around Keen's house! heeheh.. I can dream can't I?
KeenRush Garg Posts: 2611 (3/16/03 6:35 am) 212.246.17.130 Reply \| Edit \| Del	Re: If Tom Hall did get Keen..... That would be nice. I wonder, did they just made the house from their imagination, or were there a real house that they made to Keen? I think not.. Greetings from Bloogton Tower!
Yowza Meep Posts: 2 (3/16/03 8:57 am) 203.217.84.55 Reply \| Edit \| Del	re: Keen3D? I doubt my computer would be able to play that I'd prefer a sidescrolling game.. but with good graphics. After all, you never see many sidescrolling games these days
KeenRush Garg Posts: 2619 (3/16/03 9:34 am) 212.246.17.130 Reply \| Edit \| Del	Re: re: That's the problem I got.. This computer's too old and I don't have money for a new one! And I like sidescrollers more.. Greetings from Bloogton Tower!
Djaser Holy Monk Yorp Posts: 1068 (3/16/03 12:37 pm) 212.92.76.33 Reply \| Edit \| Del	Re: re: *Quote:* I'd love to roam around Keen's house! Like in Tombraider ? -----Djaser est un nation prétendue neutre mais, dans la réalité, il ne l'est pas car il n'arrête pas d'être envahie par les uns et sauvés par les autres. Djaser est normalement régie par une féodalité...-----
Glitch Tybalt Grunt Posts: 9 (3/19/03 6:39 am) 204.1.23.51 Reply \| Edit \| Del	Engine, dreams, and more... As for game-play, it'd prob'ly be most like Mario 64 [after all, that was his original idea] utilizing the QIII [ahhh, what he hell, let's say Q4 . It'll be that long away anywho...] engine. It SHOULD [note the emphasis] take us to another mind boggling adventure, saving the galaxy or universe or dimension or God or whatever from the evil clutches of Mortimer McMire. Hey, I'd love to see the Blast-o-matic in 3d, wouldn't you? [oohhh, settings: stun, blast, fry, x-tra crispy, frappe...] and as for the house bit, I don't know. Why spoil it now, it hasn't been in the other ones. Remakes of the originals? prob'ly not. it'd be included as a special package to the game, sort of a walk through the past, showing every one what it used to be like. And finally, I think it'd be a best-seller, not just because of the underground fan market, but because there'd be nothing like it on the market. allthe FPS's out there are so serious. a funny whimsical game like CK would be a fresh breath to gamers, sort of allowing them to step back and be a kid again, not a cold blooded killer [as fun as that is...]
thenewmoonsidianX Vortininja Posts: 148 (3/19/03 3:54 pm) 66.137.172.68 Reply \| Edit \| Del	Well? Now the question is (since I've gotten everyeone pumped to see Keen 7) "Can we do anything to see Keen 7?" Support Monkeystone? Barrage id with e-mails? Petitions? What do you think?
Xtraverse Stranded Fish Posts: 1692 (3/19/03 4:01 pm) 64.30.37.14 Reply \| Edit \| Del	Re: Well? *Quote:* Barrage id with e-mails? Are you insane? That's the exact opposite of what we should do.
KeenRush Garg Posts: 2673 (3/19/03 4:58 pm) 212.246.17.130 Reply \| Edit \| Del	Re: Well? I think that we only need to wait and see what happens.. I wish I would have a time machine! Greetings from Bloogton Tower!
Scizor CT Vorticon Elite Posts: 347 (3/19/03 8:46 pm) 65.82.172.234 Reply \| Edit \| Del	Re: Well? Read through this topic for some good ideas about what to do when it comes to the rights. My Remixes: Here! Click here!
Keengamer Commander Keen Mad Posts: 440 (3/20/03 2:44 am) 203.123.64.150 Reply \| Edit \| Del	Re: If Tom Hall did get Keen..... Tom Hall says he wants to make CK3D if he gets the rights. I'd assume he'd use UT for the plot. commander keen 3D? that would that the classic spirit away Billy Blaze Is The Hero Of The Universe Jawa Wars (Rorie's Place On The Web)
Xtraverse Stranded Fish Posts: 1712 (3/20/03 2:48 am) 24.48.163.42 Reply \| Edit \| Del	Re: If Tom Hall did get Keen..... You really don't have to quote someone in every response (and when you do, use ezBoard's quote feature). Anyways, there's no way he's going to make a 2D game, professional computer game developers don't do that anymore, and I'd be very surprised if he even did 2.5D
Keengamer Commander Keen Mad Posts: 441 (3/20/03 2:59 am) 203.123.64.150 Reply \| Edit \| Del	Re: If Tom Hall did get Keen..... Xtraverse how many times do i have to tell you. ezCodes doesn't work whenever if you are logged in or not if anyone can tell me what the problem is with the ezCodes. let me know thanks
Xtraverse Stranded Fish Posts: 1713 (3/20/03 3:18 am) 24.48.163.42 Reply \| Edit \| Del	... *Quote:* This is a random quote. I did that logged out, by typing: [quote]This is a random quote.[/quote] (w/o the bold stars) Edited by: Xtraverse at: 3/20/03 3:21:03 am
Djaser Holy Monk Yorp Posts: 1091 (3/20/03 8:12 am) 212.92.76.33 Reply \| Edit \| Del	Re: ... off-topic Those new sign of you are great -----Djaser est un nation prétendue neutre mais, dans la réalité, il ne l'est pas car il n'arrête pas d'être envahie par les uns et sauvés par les autres. Djaser est normalement régie par une féodalité...----- Edited by: Djaser at: 3/20/03 8:13:00 am
Yorparoony Vortininja Posts: 34 (3/28/03 11:30 am) 210.50.228.6 Reply \| Edit \| Del	Re: ... How Cares about the signs..... WE ARE TALKING ABOUT THE RIGHTS TO KEEN HERE... sory for the capital letters. if Tom makes a keen 3D game i think that you should get more weapons like a Ice gun or a tazer gun and other cool guns... what guns can you come up with for keen 3d (if it actuly gets made) <>--{[ Our Hero Commander Keen ]}--<>
KeenRush Garg Posts: 2850 (3/28/03 1:11 pm) 212.246.17.130 Reply \| Edit \| Del	Re: ... I think that definitely not any new guns! Only pogo and jump! Maybe special items that you need to find like in Keen 6, maybe swimming suit, and gems. I wouldn't like 3D, it wouldn't even work for me, I wonder why he couldn't do it as 2D - he could bring 2D back to the 00's! Greetings from Bloogton Tower!
Djaser Holy Monk Yorp Posts: 1150 (3/28/03 5:57 pm) 212.92.76.33 Reply \| Edit \| Del	Re: ... No ofcourse he will have more guns, but he should like Lara Croft keep his first weapons the most important. -----Djaser est un nation prétendue neutre mais, dans la réalité, il ne l'est pas car il n'arrête pas d'être envahie par les uns et sauvés par les autres. Djaser est normalement régie par une féodalité...-----
Grelphy Vortininja Posts: 219 (3/28/03 7:43 pm) 209.195.199.246 Reply \| Edit \| Del	Isis Isis has new Keen weapons, and they work quite well...
Scizor CT Council Janitor Posts: 367 (3/28/03 8:58 pm) 67.34.171.227 Reply \| Edit \| Del	Re: Isis I'd personally prefer to have just the Neural Stunner, but with power settings. The higher you set it, the more ammo charges are used in a shot, thus making the shot stronger. Some enemies (i.e. Arachnuts) could only be permanently defeated if hit with high power shots. My Remixes: Here! Click here!
KeenRush Garg Posts: 2860 (3/29/03 7:13 am) 212.246.17.130 Reply \| Edit \| Del	Guns.. Hmmm.. That would be better than many guns, but I think it would be still too hard for me to play or even a bit annoying. What about guns akimbo? Greetings from Bloogton Tower!
Forge315 Grand Intellect Posts: 1352 (3/30/03 12:15 am) 68.106.137.215 Reply \| Edit \| Del	. I think it’s fine to have other weapons so long as their use is well defined, such as in Keen Dreams there was the Boobus bombs. Edited by: Forge315 at: 3/30/03 12:18:49 am
KeenRush Garg Posts: 2876 (3/30/03 8:08 am) 212.246.17.130 Reply \| Edit \| Del	Re: . Hmmm, that would be good way, I haven't thought that.. Greetings from Bloogton Tower!
thenewmoonsidianX Vortininja Posts: 150 (4/2/03 10:54 pm) 66.137.172.36 Reply \| Edit \| Del	Keen Dreams II: Keen Meets the Meat Maybe if UIT sells well (if / when he makes it), maybe he would make <i>KD2: Keen Meets the Meat</i>? Whaddya think?
KeenRush Garg Posts: 2929 (4/3/03 3:40 am) 212.246.17.130 Reply \| Edit \| Del	Re: Keen Dreams II: Keen Meets the Meat What's UIT? But could the owner of Dreams rights make a sequel? Greetings from Bloogton Tower!
Yowza Grunt Posts: 12 (4/3/03 7:03 am) 203.217.84.247 Reply \| Edit \| Del	Re: Keen Dreams II: Keen Meets the Meat *Quote:* What's UIT? But could the owner of Dreams rights make a sequel? UIT = Universe Is Toast
Xtraverse Stranded Fish Posts: 1889 (4/3/03 12:42 pm) 24.48.163.42 Reply \| Edit \| Del	Re: Keen Dreams II: Keen Meets the Meat According to Tom, some dude in Louisiana has the rights to Keen Dreams, and I doubt they want to make a sequel.
KeenRush Garg Posts: 2945 (4/3/03 12:46 pm) 212.246.17.130 Reply \| Edit \| Del	Re: Keen Dreams II: Keen Meets the Meat Oh! I just hadn't ever seen anyone using that! Yeah, I remember that one, but maybe they could sell the rights? Or.. Greetings from Bloogton Tower!
Djaser Holy Monk Yorp Posts: 1212 (4/3/03 3:43 pm) 212.92.76.33 Reply \| Edit \| Del	Re: Keen Dreams II: Keen Meets the Meat Ofcourse they don't want to make a sequel. Kd was the least populair Keen game. -----Djaser est un nation prétendue neutre mais, dans la réalité, il ne l'est pas car il n'arrête pas d'être envahie par les uns et sauvés par les autres. Djaser est normalement régie par une féodalité...-----
thenewmoonsidianX Vortininja Posts: 151 (4/21/03 3:15 pm) 66.137.172.60 Reply \| Edit \| Del	Re: Keen Dreams II: Keen Meets the Meat Maybe if he got the KD rights back first, it would be easier to get the UIT rights from id... I know I've compared Monkey Island to Commander Keen before (because both series are in the same position) but now it seems appropriate to do it again! Well, every MI fan knows that the first 2 Monkey Island games were by the Monkey Island creator Ron Gilbert, just like the first few CK games were by Tom Hall. Then the creators moved away from their companies, leaving their game licenses. Now the companies (LucasArts / id) are making games that don't nearly match in quality to the originals. AND both fans, CK and MI, are complaining to the companies with the licenses to give the licenses back to the original creators. Wha'd'ya think?
Superadammario64 Vortininja Posts: 98 (4/21/03 6:27 pm) 24.43.217.7 Reply \| Edit \| Del	Re: Keen Dreams II: Keen Meets the Meat I thought that MI 3 & 4 were good but I dont think CK GBC was nearly as good as 1-6 because it didn't have keen feel and the level design was bad so the game sucked while MI 3 & 4 kept the feel of the old dos monkey island games and 3 is one of my favorite PC games.
0 UNFLEEXABLE 0 Vorticon Elite Posts: 496 (4/22/03 2:44 am) 203.213.58.145 Reply \| Edit \| Del	Re: Keen Dreams II: Keen Meets the Meat i agree with the horrid level design. i mean, in level 3 of Driodiccuss Prime, I went all the way to the exit but didn't have the key so i needed to go all the way back. How crap?! Well, it at least happened with one of the worlds. :moon Take that iD for not toasting the universe!
Scizor CT Council Janitor Posts: 428 (4/22/03 3:20 am) 67.34.171.50 Reply \| Edit \| Del	Re: Keen Dreams II: Keen Meets the Meat In retrospect, just one gun is fine. I'd really like a 3D Keen game to be cel-shaded though, so to keep the cartoony feel. My Remixes: Here! Click here!
Yowza Grunt Posts: 19 (4/22/03 8:49 am) 203.217.84.81 Reply \| Edit \| Del	Re: Keen Dreams II: Keen Meets the Meat Yes, it would definately have to be cel-shaded.
KeenRush Garg Posts: 3181 (4/22/03 11:44 am) 212.246.17.130 Reply \| Edit \| Del	Re: Keen Dreams II: Keen Meets the Meat Ofcourse! Hmmm, what about those particles or what are those all explosions and other stuff called, I think that there shouldn't be much of them, that it would be possible to dodge for example small pieces of exploding shikadi mine. Greetings from Bloogton Tower!
Flaose Pooper, King of the Slugs Posts: 971 (4/22/03 7:33 pm) 68.147.124.200 Reply \| Edit \| Del	Re: If Tom Hall did get Keen..... Cell-shaded = gay. I can't stand looking at cell-shaded 'cartoons'. Even if it's well done I can't stand looking at it (i.e. the new Zelda game). -------------------- Cerebral Cortex 314 - For All of your Commander Keen Needs.
thenewmoonsidianX Vortininja Posts: 152 (4/24/03 1:35 am) 66.137.172.98 Reply \| Edit \| Del	Re: If Tom Hall did get Keen..... WHAT PROBLEM DO PEOPLE HAVE WITH CEL-SHADING?!? Is it because it's too kid-friendly? Well, being realistic and blowing people's heads off and destroying buildings does NOT mean it's a good game! I mean, I played Zelda GCN, and the style does not affect the quality of gameplay! It's one of the best games I've ever played! Anyway, what I said about MI and CK.... Yes, MI3 WAS a good game (probably my favorite one), MI4 was so-so, but MI1-MI2 are the best (even though the ending to MI2 made absolutely no sense and the whole game came to a resounding THUD), and MI3-MI4 did a good job of carrying on the cartoony jokes and the over-the-top zaniness. But CK GBC.... That's another story. Somebody once recognized on this board that CK GBC IS a part of the Commander Keen saga, but not a very good one... Anyway, to get back on topic, what can we do about getting the Keen rights out of id's clutches?
thenewmoonsidianX Vortininja Posts: 153 (4/24/03 1:37 am) 66.137.172.98 Reply \| Edit \| Del	Re: If Tom Hall did get Keen..... By the way, I would like to see a Keen cel-shaded look. Think Hyperspace Delivery Boy-style with a 3-d environment.....ooooh.....
Superadammario64 Vortininja Posts: 101 (4/25/03 10:50 pm) 24.43.217.7 Reply \| Edit \| Del	Re: If Tom Hall did get Keen..... Zelda WW was a great game and the cell shading suited the series. Anyways back to the topic I found something very interesting at monkeystone's website. If you goto about and click on partners you will see ID software in there which makes me think maybe we will get a chance to see another Keen made by Tom Hall and still get published by ID Software. Heres the link by the way. www.monkeystone.com/about_partners.php
thenewmoonsidianX Vortininja Posts: 156 (4/26/03 5:53 pm) 66.137.172.67 Reply \| Edit \| Del	GASP! *Quote:* if you goto about and click on partners you will see ID software in there which makes me think maybe we will get a chance to see another Keen made by Tom Hall and still get published by ID Software. Heres the link by the way.
Retodon8 Vortininja Posts: 92 (4/26/03 8:35 pm) 80.245.50.133 Reply \| Edit \| Del	Cartoon I like realism. When I look at Unreal Tournament and UT2003 for instance, I have to say the latter looks a lot better. (Of course when it comes to games realism is a relative concept anyway.) Still, Keen is a cartoon. Enemies see stars when they get knocked out, and they only start falling when they realise they don't have anything under them anymore. The slugs have humanoid eyes, and their eyestalks are just stalks, another typical cartoon thing. Keen is probably one of the best games to used cell-shading for. I don't mind if a cartoon actually looks like a cartoon. About the link... I don't think Monkeystone mentioning id Software ("id" isn't written in capitals by the way) means much when it comes to Keen. It's probably just because Monkeystone consists of some ex-id people. Retodon8 You live, you die, you are remembered, you are forgotten. Edited by: Retodon8 at: 4/26/03 8:38:13 pm
0 UNFLEEXABLE 0 Vorticon Elite Posts: 557 (4/27/03 5:46 am) 203.213.56.8 Reply \| Edit \| Del	Re: Cartoon my computer is too old, so i can hardly play any new games . Anyways, Duke Nukem MP is becoming really cheap at K-Mart here in oz (Only $49AUD or around $25USD, So I might buy it even if I can't play it ) -- Pinch, Pinch... BLIND, Clamp! --

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