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Stranded Fish
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Death
What do you think happens when we
die?
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votes = 21):
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heaven/hell |
13 / 61.9% |
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| Reincarnation
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0 / 0.0% |
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| Our ghost travels
the earth for eternity |
0 / 0.0% |
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| Undecided |
4 / 19.0% |
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| Other
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4 / 19.0% |
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Bloogaurd
Vortininja
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Re: Death
(I thought it would be fun to use my old name) As you know I firmly
believe that when you die, you're judged & if you chose to
follow Christ you go to Heaven, & if you chose not to you go to
Hell. (sad but its reality)
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eK
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Re: Death
Don't confuse belief with reality.
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Vortininja
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Re: Death
Theres no option for "nothing!"
i.e., you die. You're dead.
End of story.
You
and all those other mental wimps deserve to die!
-Mortimer
Mcmire in Commander Keen 3
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Stranded Fish
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Re: Death
I would have put that, but I didn't have enough choices. So just
pick other.
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Re: Death
I selected the first one.
I really can't understand how there
could be nothing. Nothing. 
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Djaser
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Re: Death
And what do you think Xtraverse?
-----Djaser est un nation prétendue neutre mais, dans la réalité,
il ne l'est pas car il n'arrête pas d'être envahie par les uns et
sauvés par les autres.
Djaser est normalement régie par une
féodalité...----- |
therealdopefish
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Re: Death
Hhhm, I think that my opinion started a lot of topics about
beliefs. I experienced fainting and when you're fainted there really
is nothing. No thoughts, nothing. So I think the same goes for
death.
Hey new smilies:
RKP series is cursed: people keep comparing it with Isis
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Flaose
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Re: Death
That brown slug isn't new...
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Stranded Fish
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Re: Death
I put undecided, because I really don't know. However I fear that
nothing may be what is after we die, which the idea of scares me a
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Flaose
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Re: Death
Well if that's what really happens, at least you won't have to
worry about it...
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Cerebral Cortex 314 - For All of your Commander Keen
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Garg
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Re: Death
Thing that is odd to me, is that there have been millions of years
everything and then you born and live and die and that's it. I think
it can't be that way, I think there needs to be something after
it.
But I don't like to think that thing too much..
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Vortininja
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Re: Death
I believe in the first one. I used to think about dying and nothing
happening but I dont worry about it anymore.
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KeenEmpire
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Re: Death
It would be kinda sad, if before and after the fact there would be
nothing. There would be nothing to think, nothing to believe in,
nothing to love...
But it's quite possible that the sad
option is the true option.
"...And during the 'DemOps' event, Keen set the series of events
leading to the formation of the Second Universal Empire That Ever
Existed...
...That Empire, with an economy based on
capitalism, and yet not quite, was..."
-The Summerizer's Guide
to the Universe, Day Edition; Last updated 8/14/2021. |
therealdopefish
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Re: Death
That's why I keep saying religion is fake hope: you hope there's a
heaven. But that should be considered in the other topic.
I
already told my parents that if I die(hopefully not of course) that
I don't care how my funeral is. I find it a bit the same as talking
to a pet who can't understand you.
RKP series is cursed: people keep comparing it with Isis
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Re: Death
I don't think that way.. At least it isn't for me anything fake
hope. I believe it.
This all
can't
be pointles.
And why do you think pet don't understand? 
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Djaser
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Re: Death
Do you also have no respect for your parents Dopefish
-----Djaser est un nation prétendue neutre mais, dans la réalité,
il ne l'est pas car il n'arrête pas d'être envahie par les uns et
sauvés par les autres.
Djaser est normalement régie par une
féodalité...----- |
KeenEmpire
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Re: Death
Why is it wrong not to have any (aside from indoctoration)?
The suns were green, the spaceships
tall
In ancient days before the fall
Of empires of
Parlmtheon,
And Shikadine, who now beyond,
The Eastern stars
have passed away,
Deep space was fair in DemOps' day
-A dirty copyright
infringement Edited by: KeenEmpire
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Flaose
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Re: Death
What's wrong with not having respect?
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Re: Death
I voted other, since I believe that after you die, all brain
activity stops and you are no more aware. Which means, when you die,
your "soul" dies too. (soul as in the combination of consciousness
and memories, nothing supernatural)
The board is a mirror of the mind
of the players as the moments pass. When a master studies the record
of a game he can tell at what point greed overtook the pupil, when
he became tired, when he fell into stupidity, and when the maid came
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therealdopefish
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Re: Death
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Do you also have no respect for your parents Dopefish
Where do I say I have no respect
for my parents?
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Djaser
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Re: Death
Whatever forget it....
-----Djaser est un nation prétendue neutre mais, dans la réalité,
il ne l'est pas car il n'arrête pas d'être envahie par les uns et
sauvés par les autres.
Djaser est normalement régie par une
féodalité...----- |
kittyyorp
Vortininja
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Re: Death
so (if you think nothing happens to you after you die) you live a
hard-worked life, believing in what you do, get educated, get a
well-paying job, and then you die. all that work for nothing. there
would be NO POINT in living! that's like if, after you died, your
friends found out you had died, just go "oh well, too bad" and
forget they even knew you. seriously, it just sounds awfully stupid
to me. also, the 'sad choice' isn't 'nothing' it's going to hell.
(nothing is just the wrong choice, of course so is everything else
besides heaven/hell)
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Stranded Fish
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Re: Death
Quote:
of course so is everything else besides heaven/hell
I think you're confusing
faith, with proven facts. One is proven, which everyone believes (or
should), and the other is not, which is why not everyone believes
that.
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so (if you think nothing happens to you after you die) you live a
hard-worked life, believing in what you do, get educated, get a
well-paying job, and then you die. all that work for nothing.
there would be NO POINT in living!
I find you're right about
that. That's why I desperately hope that something happens after we
die, but sadly I find it unlikely. That's why death scares me.
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Vortininja
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Re: Death
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I think you're confusing faith, with proven facts. One is proven,
which everyone believes (or should), and the other is not, which
is why not everyone believes that.
i wasn't 'confusing' it.
i knew what i was saying.
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I find you're right about that. That's why I desperately hope that
something happens after we die, but sadly I find it unlikely.
That's why death scares me.
it wouldn't if you knew
you were going to heaven.
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Stranded Fish
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Re: Death
But the thing is, I don't believe in heaven or a God, and there's
no way I can make myself believe that stuff, whether I wanted to or
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KeenEmpire
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asfd
Quote:
of course so is everything else besides heaven/hell)
You gave a very
supportive argument for your first point, but as far as I can see,
this is a non sequiter.
There is one definitive fact to your
non-acceptance of a post-death nonexistance, however: just because
you don't believe it, does not mean that it is not true. So it might
be "pointless" and "sound[ing] stupid;" many things are
pointless and stupid in this universe. There is hardly any way,
however, to prevent them. I, too, am hoping that we might conquer
death; but I must warn you that simple belief will not necessarily
get you anywhere.
When it comes to your accusation that those
believing in nothing should commit suicide, it simply depends on
what your standards are. A laborer who has been working in harsh
conditions all his/her life, for example, theoretically becomes used
to it, and psychologically accepts the hard course of labor just as
a relatively easy-going person accepts their own lesser toll. The
standards (of how much they have to work) are unequal, and the
amount of sadness they can stand is therefore difficult. Similarly,
atheists might harden their minds and steer themselves against the
dark fact that once their life is over, all that they should
accomplish will end. Indeed, their powers do not necessarily come
from extreme toleration. What lack of point is there, anyway, that
may come to us while we are living? While we live, we can perform
acts of change to the world. Ripples of power, however small,
emminate from our very souls. These actions and decisions may end
when death comes to take them, but they are not erased. So what if
we can only make change for a fleeting generation until the great
darkness wipes out all that shall remain? The present has continued;
what has been done shall live on. We need not live on, in order to
witness it, to be content with what we have done.
Through
death, we can conquer love; through love, we can conquer death.
Edited by: KeenEmpire
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therealdopefish
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Re: asfd
Some great words from KeenEmpire.
Scientifically speaking a specimen could live forever if it's
built on it. Wounds can be healed so why not age? But the reason not
a single specimen can do this is that it's inefficient: Eternal life
doesn't mean you're invulnerable. So if you have eternal life and
get hit by a truck you won't be living anymore or you would be
disabled forever. Then that eternal life was all for nothing. You
should actually be happy that you don't live forever. Well, at least
I do.
And the reason I work hard is that I want to do at least
something with my life. It's stupid to think that it's better to do
nothing as one day you'll die or that you spend your entire time on
preparing your "after-life".
About these almost-dead experiences:
Don't you think it's a big coincidence that every person who had
such an experience experienced it like he expected it. A Muslim
would have a islamitic experience, a Christian would have a
Christian experience. I wonder what people who believe in
Reincarnation has for almost-dead experiences.
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Re: asfd
I have accepted that after death there is nothing as my truth, and
am willing to live by it. Which means that when living, I will try
to enjoy my life as much as possible, and try to help myself and
others live longer.
The board is a mirror of the mind
of the players as the moments pass. When a master studies the record
of a game he can tell at what point greed overtook the pupil, when
he became tired, when he fell into stupidity, and when the maid came
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Re: asfd
Quote:
Scientifically speaking a specimen could live forever if it's
built on it.
The Second Law of
Thermodynamics would still apply. Even if you kept on putting energy
into it, it's still gonna wear out.
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Re: asfd
Uppy, have considered that cells die and new ones are born all the
time? The dead cells come out and new cells are constructed from all
the stuff we eat. My point here being, that (for example)a human
doesn't consist of the same matter for the whole of his life. And on
the other point, the human is also not a closed system, which would
mean that entropy isn't necessarily more than 1.
The board is a mirror of the mind
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he became tired, when he fell into stupidity, and when the maid came
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Re: asfd
I don't get you. Could you explain further?
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Re: Death
Once I had a dream I died and went to heavan...I was locked in a
room and when I asked to see God the lady guard just laughed and
said he never comes around...I broke out and the last thing I
remember I was clinging to a log in a fountain....everything was
made out of coral, and it was a weird blue color.....
Oh, and
I kept trying to communicate with my mom to tell her not to touch my
Three Investigator books....
This was a loooong time ago though...
Whoa!
My Website!
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Re: Death
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(I thought it would be fun to use my old name) As you know I
firmly believe that when you die, you're judged & if you chose
to follow Christ you go to Heaven, & if you chose not to you
go to Hell. (sad but its reality)
I sorta believe that way
too but let me make a few modifications.
As you don't know I
believe that when you die, you're judged & if you chose to
follow Islam you go to Heaven, & if you chose not to you go to
Hell.
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Fleex, I didnt know you were Islamic. I know a little about that
religion..I myself, am Christian.
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Re: Death
Uppy, my point being that the human isn't a closed
system.
And on another point about death, some people say
that dogs and cats can go to heaven. So, where does the borderline
go? What about little birds? Lizards? Bacteria? How do you define
who gets to go to heaven and who just dies? And if you're gonna
answer that those who have souls go to heaven, which ones of those
have souls?
The board is a mirror of the mind
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of a game he can tell at what point greed overtook the pupil, when
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Re: Death
Quote:
And on another point about death, some people say that dogs and
cats can go to heaven. So, where does the borderline go? What
about little birds? Lizards? Bacteria? How do you define who gets
to go to heaven and who just dies? And if you're gonna answer that
those who have souls go to heaven, which ones of those have souls?
Mhh most Christians
don't even believe that any creature beside humans go to heaven. I
would say that it depends on what kind of creature it is: does he
have any intelligence, does he feel pain. If so than there is life
after death for him. About the bacteria, they aren't even animals.
Nobody believes that plants go to heaven.
-----Djaser est un nation prétendue neutre mais, dans la réalité,
il ne l'est pas car il n'arrête pas d'être envahie par les uns et
sauvés par les autres.
Djaser est normalement régie par une
féodalité...----- |
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Re: Death
Bacteria aren't plants.
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does he have any intelligence, does he feel pain.
Plenty of creatures besides
humans exhibit those traits.
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I know.
-----Djaser est un nation prétendue neutre mais, dans la réalité,
il ne l'est pas car il n'arrête pas d'être envahie par les uns et
sauvés par les autres.
Djaser est normalement régie par une
féodalité...----- |
ceilick
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Unfleexable, I thought with Islam you go to heaven based on works
not faith. I dont know about animals, but does it really matter that
much?
Interesting dream killspy. I had a dream that I was in
heaven and it was a big field with a huge table with lots of food.
There was this hill with elevators going to hell and these guys
tryed to push me into one.
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