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Robo Blue Vorticon Elite Posts: 808 (11/11/03 2:28 am) 24.187.190.18 Reply \| Edit \| Del All	60 years Have you guys ever thought about what the Keen community will be like in 60 years? Tom Hall will hopefully have gotten the rights and made a new Keen game or two, so the board (doubtfully the same board) could have many new, younger members. Some of the older members will still be around, hopefully ensuring that no-one forgets how awesome the original keens are. Most of us will be getting ready to retire, so we'll have plenty of free time to mod/play keen. Any thoughts? Official Keenbound Site Visit The Dos Vault Message Board. I'm an admin
XkyRauh2001 Mortimer's Right Hand Man Posts: 657 (11/11/03 5:36 am) 67.94.116.143 Reply \| Edit \| Del	re: 60 years holy crap, man, what are you thinking!? sixty years? i'll be EIGHTY then! i'm not even sure we'll still use computers! they'll probably end up being like typewriters or records before 20 years is up... and any computers capable of RUNNING Keen will fade into obscurity. heck, any computers capable of running DOSBox, for that matter, will likely vanish. in 20 years, i can't see there being much of a Keen community. it'd take one monstrously huge new release to spark a sustained interest. while i love you all to death, i seriously can't see myself frequenting a Commander Keen board in ten years, let alone sixty. but who knows, maybe something big'll come along ;-) one thing that i've noticed since my arrival at these boards is that my feelings about each episode of Keen have changed a lot. i used to think that 4-6 were much better than 1-3, but i've since flip-flopped. while before i was super-eager for a 4-6 editor besides TED5, now i'm scarcely interested in the new level packs O_o i'm mainly interested in the Keen1-3 mods. weird. anyway, may Keen live on in our hearts--not necessarily our electronics ;-) --Xky
Ilsoap Flect Posts: 792 (11/11/03 6:46 am) 24.67.253.204 Reply \| Edit \| Del	Re: re: 60 years The game may become hopelessly outdated in that time, but the idea seems too good to pass up on. Given a time frame like sixty years... man, computer games, they'll be so stuck for ideas in movies, Commander Keen will be a shoo-in! Seriously, though, it makes sense. Right now there's this whole kick of making movies about superheroes that debuted in the 60's and 70's. What's to stop them to start making movies about classic computer games, when enough of the target audience becomes old enough to become interested in such things? They'll start off with a Super Mario Bros. movie that's actually good, then run through a few other classics and sequels. And Commander Keen has a very workable storyline in comparison to most classic games (I should know... Shadowlands wasn't my only idea for them, you know). And if the movie's ever made, a new messageboard system will start, with fans talking about the hit that it is. Then, any of the old Keen fans that are left will get these new whipper-snappers hooked on the original games, and whamo, you got a community again. Make enough sequels, and soon the Commander Keen series would never die!!! Do you hear me? Never!!! NEVER!!!!!! ahem Or, you know, we'll all leave in a year or so and all the Keen emoticons will die a cold, painful death alone. Those'd be the two extremes. Yeah. Yeah, I'd say http://www.screenhog.com/
CommanderSpleen Vortininja Posts: 73 (11/11/03 9:23 am) 203.220.174.85 Reply \| Edit \| Del	60 Years is an Eternity 60 years? I don't think the world's going to even resemble the the one we know before even twenty are up. We're shifting from a world of material, scarcity, confined consciousness to one of unbridled freedom on all levels, even immortality and common practice of 'magic', or instant manifestation. One can read anything into this shift--ever increasing integration of humanity with machine or transcendence of physical reality, or any number of unfathomable scenarios. I cannot see the world lasting as it is, with an East and West divided such that they may as well be at different ends of the galaxy, so I can see no Fifth Element style scenario. Because of all this, I'm going to keep from speculating about where the world, let alone us Keeners, will be in even ten years. I know that wherever we end up, I'll always look back on the PCKF and all the Keeners I've met, and all the projects we see emerge and expand, and remember how great an experience it was. And it truly is great. Keen is an incredible game, and it's inextricably linked with my personal history, and finding all these people who are in a similar situation was absolutely incredible. I really hope it endures and evolves, rather than fade into obscurity. But I can scarcely imagine where we'll end up. >Commander Spleen ö Cave assectatorem Ductoris Alacris ö "The rich get richer and the poor get poorer. So why choose to be poor?" - My cat's food tin (a.k.a. Larry)
keen online Vortininja Posts: 82 (11/11/03 9:58 am) 62.171.194.36 Reply \| Edit \| Del	Re: 60 Years is an Eternity I'd be surprissed if theres a community in five years. Keen says: Visit the keen archive for all you keen needs.
KeenRush Photachyon Transceiver Posts: 4351 (11/11/03 3:12 pm) 212.246.17.130 Reply \| Edit \| Del	.. Double post. Keen mods, please! Edited by: KeenRush at: 11/11/03 3:18 pm
KeenRush Photachyon Transceiver Posts: 4352 (11/11/03 3:17 pm) 212.246.17.130 Reply \| Edit \| Del	.. Hmmm, I'm quite old then.. Probably there isn't this community, but I hope I can still remember my hero. I will Keen as long as possible; let's enjoy this while it lasts - make cool Keen related stuff and so on! And I believe that in the future we have the source or there is programs that allow the game to be easily ported on the new machines. Oh, and I really hope your vision won't come true Spleen (not with any bad), but I'd rather jump off a bridge instead of that! And what I believe - there won't ever be immortality for humans.. Keen mods, please!
CommanderSpleen Vortininja Posts: 74 (11/11/03 3:44 pm) 203.220.174.85 Reply \| Edit \| Del	Indeed. *Quote:* I will Keen as long as possible; let's enjoy this while it lasts - make cool Keen related stuff and so on! Intriguing. I just finished watching Goldeneye (the credits are still rolling) after randomly deciding to watch a video... this time around, I paid particular attention to Bond's, "Enjoy it while it lasts." In fact, I was planning to mention it in the next post I made here, as it is in fact exactly what I intend to do. Regardless of what the future brings, I'll do what I can with what's available for as long as it lasts. *Quote:* And I believe that in the future we have the source or there is programs that allow the game to be easily ported on the new machines. I can see algorithms that would produce games of any magnitude without any human intervention being necessary... and even direct communication from mind to machine--devices capable of interpreting thought and manufacturing the necessary software/organiware, thus instantly producing an entire game. Indeed, entire 'computers', though the definition would definitely change should organic machinery become commonplace whereby components can be grown to meet any requirement, so the limits of games would thus be stretched beyond the infinite. Indeed, communication itself will eventually become instantaneous--whether through development of ESP/telepathy/remote viewing or via devices capable of transmitting thoughts from one mind directly to another. And indeed it's possible for components to be created capable of sending impulses to the brain to ensure it is constantly 'happy', without the necessity for any action on behalf of the human in order to do anything ever again--Matrix scenario, ultimately. All of this is within our reach, and more. So where are we going to go? Enjoy it while it lasts. As always. There's no point living that far into the future, especially in this day and age where everything's speeding up and changing at a faster rate every nano-second. *Quote:* Oh, and I really hope your vision won't come true Spleen (not with any bad), but I'd rather jump off a bridge instead of that! And what I believe - there won't ever be immortality for humans. I hope the above scenarios don't become reality--they simply defeat the purpose of existing in the first place... though indeed it's amazing what the human spirit can survive through. As for the immortality thing, I've experienced too many things to disbelieve in such things as life after death, eternity and infinite possibilities. And I intend to make the most of each moment I'm given, and just see what happens. >Commander Spleen ö Cave assectatorem Ductoris Alacris ö "The rich get richer and the poor get poorer. So why choose to be poor?" - My cat's food tin (a.k.a. Larry)
KeenRush Photachyon Transceiver Posts: 4354 (11/11/03 8:26 pm) 212.246.17.130 Reply \| Edit \| Del	Re: Indeed. "As for the immortality thing, I've experienced too many things to disbelieve in such things as life after death, eternity and infinite possibilities." Could you tell more? Keen mods, please!
Robo Blue Vorticon Elite Posts: 809 (11/11/03 9:06 pm) 24.187.190.18 Reply \| Edit \| Del	Re: Indeed. Wow, so many great posts. I agree with Spleen in that over time, the medium of the interface will change from a monitor and a keyboard. This could move toward virtual realuty, but that is unlikely, as VR demands your whole attention, and cannot be ignored as easily as a computer (ie, if you have something else that needs to be done, you get up and walk away from the monitor). Therefore, I think we'll move into a holographic interface system, presumably something three-dimensional. Even IF the system changes so drastically that they become telepathically operated, I'm sure that there will still be people like the DOSBox team who will work to compensate. There are many many fans of DOS games out there, and Commander Keen is one of the most popular. Most of the other classics moved on to other peripherals, and left behind their DOS beginnings. Also, Commander Keen is a much more widely recognized name than many of you may think. I've met many people on IRC who know the origin of my screen-name, and were huge Keen fans when they were younger. Inevitably, some of them will eventually come to this board and lenghten the life of the community. Moreover, when I came to the community five years ago, it was actually much smaller and less skilled than it is today. People are much more likely to stay, as they become fans of Keen AND many of the Keen related productions of people in the forum, such as Shadowlands, the many works of TMST, the many fun and interesting mods (particularly your mods, XKY) and the fangames such as Isis (unfortunately never completed, but it did draw a lot of attention) and Keen 3D (this will definately get a lot of attention in the future). I believe that the community will continue to prosper, and will not die for a long time coming. Official Keenbound Site Visit The Dos Vault Message Board. I'm an admin Edited by: Robo Blue at: 11/11/03 9:12 pm
TCL999 Vorticon Elite Posts: 359 (11/11/03 9:40 pm) 198.82.58.144 Reply \| Edit \| Del	Re: Indeed. *Quote:* Moreover, when I came to the community five years ago, it was actually much smaller and less skilled than it is today. The community was actually about the same size 5 years ago from what I remember. We had most of the older members back then like Thea, Snortimer, Geoff, Quest King, Soggy Mop, etc, etc, etc. They left and have been replaced by newer members like Spleen. Back then the talent was mostly making crappy Klick and Play games, or stupid websites that no one cared about. *Quote:* the many works of TMST Where is he? I haven't seen him in a while... *Quote:* and Keen 3D (this will definately get a lot of attention in the future). If it ever even gets finished. *Quote:* I believe that the community will continue to prosper, and will not die for a long time coming. Four years ago lots of people said that the Keen Community was going to die soon, and well... we've lasted awhile since then and come out with new things like mods, or the shadowlands flash videos. As for 60 years in the future? I highly doubt this community will still be here unless another Keen game that's excellent gets released. Until then the communities membership will fluctuate here and there but when we're all grown up and if there are no new Keen games this community will be dead. Let's face it, we're all mostly in our late teenager years, early twenties, something like that and back when we were little we played the original games when they came out. I still remember getting Keen 6 under the Christmas tree, then loading it up, playing a few levels, then being mad because whoever we got it from had given us the demo version... The kids now adays have never heard of Keen. When they're old like us they'll have their own old game like pokemon or something that they grew up with. ----------- An A through Z interpretation of Commander Keen: The Keencyclopedia... currently being ported over and redone to spatang.com, be patient. Current Release Date: 11-30-03 Website of the Week: Keen Online
MRC Marky Vorticon Elite Posts: 356 (11/11/03 10:34 pm) 66.38.206.72 Reply \| Edit \| Del	- There's already a vision in my mind. 50% of the world population VR-crack addicts, the other half being professional shrinks.
KeenRush Photachyon Transceiver Posts: 4356 (11/12/03 4:00 pm) 212.246.17.130 Reply \| Edit \| Del	Re: - "50% of the world population VR-crack addicts" I have a feeling that most of the people can't even test that kind of thing in their life.. I mean, if this world goes like it is going now, there will be a lot of people without money and electronics.. And if VR comes over, I probably say Goodbye, Real World and explore the Shadowlands myself! Keen mods, please!
lemur821 Vortininja Posts: 77 (11/13/03 4:09 am) 171.75.220.57 Reply \| Edit \| Del	Re: - I do like VR....
Djaser Holy Monk Yorp Posts: 1974 (11/13/03 3:17 pm) 212.92.76.33 Reply \| Edit \| Del	Re: - Sixty years. I'd rather be dead than getting so old. (78 ) If Keen still exists at that time then we won't even recognize him because he will be dramatically changed. When Keen game out kids watched a lot less violent cartoons and played a lot less violent games. Nowadays, it's different; little kids watch Japanese shit like Pokemon and Dragonball Z. Most of these cartoons are only about to take and win. For our good Keen there won't be a place in that world unless they changed him into a Pokemon alike monster. ----------------- Sinterklaas and Djaser hate Santa Claus!!!! Download free games on The Dos Vault!!! The Dos Vault forum, guest posting allowed.
CommanderSpleen Vortininja Posts: 75 (11/14/03 12:09 pm) 203.221.144.182 Reply \| Edit \| Del	types from nowhere *Quote:* Could you tell more? The Synchronicity website I've been planning for the JimSoft Lair will go into more detail about it--I've had wishes granted on many occasions, partaken in seances (some very profound ones indeed), been amongst a number of people (twice) to witness a ghost in my living room, and observed as a friend seemed to go through a past-life regression and channel a number of spirits who dispersed some very interesting information (she and another also seem able to 'see dead people'), to name a few of these experiences. Mini-miracles are a part of my everyday life: things working out right where they really shouldn't--and even the other way around (though these times are when I'm trying to 'go against the grain', as it were; trying to do things that simply don't seem to want to happen)--patterns showing up all over the place (particular cominations of letters/numbers on licence plates, such as RVN and 333, at significant places--at such significant places as to be declared beyond the effect of the Reticular Activating System that many would use to dismiss these events), randomly flicking through books after asking them questions, to have them answered, or replied to with smart-ass comments (though this only seems to work significantly well when in the presence of one of my cousins who has been declared psychotic, but whom I would more accurately describe as 'highly conscious'), and other such things too numerous to count. In addition, I've been nearly able to travel out-of-body once, but seemed to get 'stuck' and got jolted back to full awareness. All these things that have happened leave me with no doubt whatsoever that there is more to our existence than our Western world will have us believe--that there are other planes of existence and that we are in control of our own experience, whether we choose to know it or not. *Quote:* VR demands your whole attention, and cannot be ignored as easily as a computer It isn't inconceivable that the cerebral cortex could be modified to allow direct perception of the information transmitted through the VR device, such that we would directly 'know', rather than have to interpret. That way, there's no need for an external interface at all--if the brain could be modified and extended in such a way, it's entirely possible components could be produced to transmit information from one brain to another, and have all the calculations take place from a central network of neural mass. *Quote:* People are much more likely to stay, as they become fans of Keen AND many of the Keen related productions of people in the forum The more we can extend the life of Keen here, the more people into the future are likely to do the same. I mean, there are so many possibilities--we have an entire Universe to make all manner of stories from. We have a common theme with which to produce all sorts of works, and this common theme has over a decade of history to it. It's much easier, and adds so much more, to extend such a theme than to produce an entirely new one. And as the world of Keen grows, so will the potential for new ideas and creations. *Quote:* As for 60 years in the future? I highly doubt this community will still be here unless another Keen game that's excellent gets released. Until then the communities membership will fluctuate here and there but when we're all grown up and if there are no new Keen games this community will be dead. There are many here who are in their early- to mid-teens, and if such a trend continues, the appeal of the Keen community is likely to transfer down the generations and extend the life of the community indefinitely. It's not only 'Commander Keen' that keeps people here--the 'Public ... Forum' part is another reason to stay. New Keen games aren't a necessity for the prolonging of the community--in fact, much of it exists because there have been no new games since the early Nineties. *Quote:* And I believe that in the future we have the source or there is programs that allow the game to be easily ported on the new machines. If we ever attain the source, so much more will happen. By then we'll have all sorts of experience as to what the engines can do and what they should be able to do so the limits will expand phenomenally, *Quote:* Nowadays, it's different; little kids watch Japanese shit like Pokemon and Dragonball Z. Most of these cartoons are only about to take and win. For our good Keen there won't be a place in that world unless they changed him into a Pokemon alike monster. I wonder where shudder Pokemon and all the other hyped up Japanese merchandise games and TV shows will be in a couple of years... I wonder if people will look back and think, "Man, we really were sucked in to buying a lot of crap because it was 'cool'." I doubt it'll be, "Hey, remember Pokemon?" I used to watch Pokemon when it first came out... then the merchandising was overdone and I began to despise it. I'm presently catching up on the 80s gaming world, and I'm sure that anyone serious about classic gaming into the future will try to catch up on what they've missed, including Commander Keen. I don't know how many people are like that, but I'm sure if they ended up the majority at this forum a lot of quality productions would come about. Sporg. >Commander Spleen ö Cave assectatorem Ductoris Alacris ö "The rich get richer and the poor get poorer. So why choose to be poor?" - My cat's food tin (a.k.a. Larry) JimSoft Lair: Huge Spatang.com Portage Underway. Massive Developments Coming!
KeenRush Photachyon Transceiver Posts: 4366 (11/14/03 2:37 pm) 212.246.17.130 Reply \| Edit \| Del	Re: types from nowhere Interesting.. Can't wait to see that Synchronicity.. By the way, I just got crazy idea. Maybe it will be, when the computers start to be even more faster, possible to make the code by ourselves. First we should just take backup from the original Keen, and copy it to some folder. Then we should program a program that would try every combination possible with C and build exe. Then it would need to check if the original Keen exe is exactly same (in the byte-level ofcourse) than the one created from the "source" the program just made. If so, then we have our source! Hard to explain, hopefully you understand. Does anyone have any idea, how fast the best supercomputer of something lab or university could do that? Let's hope that it won't take 3 years with the computers of tomorrow.. Keen mods, please!
CommanderSpleen Vortininja Posts: 76 (11/14/03 2:44 pm) 203.221.144.182 Reply \| Edit \| Del	Re: types from nowhere ROTFL@KeenRush's plan. Absolutely brilliant. This concrete's cold... returns to office chair >Commander Spleen ö Cave assectatorem Ductoris Alacris ö "The rich get richer and the poor get poorer. So why choose to be poor?" - My cat's food tin (a.k.a. Larry) JimSoft Lair: Huge Spatang.com Portage Underway. Massive Developments Coming!
Djaser Holy Monk Yorp Posts: 1977 (11/14/03 7:51 pm) 212.92.76.33 Reply \| Edit \| Del	Re: types from nowhere *Quote:* I wonder where shudder Pokemon and all the other hyped up Japanese merchandise games and TV shows will be in a couple of years... I wonder if people will look back and think, "Man, we really were sucked in to buying a lot of crap because it was 'cool'." I doubt it'll be, "Hey, remember Pokemon?" I used to watch Pokemon when it first came out... then the merchandising was overdone and I began to despise it. Of course you're right, but new things will pop, probably more violant. Those things change, but I fear they won't change in better things. ----------------- Sinterklaas and Djaser hate Santa Claus!!!! Download free games on The Dos Vault!!! The Dos Vault forum, guest posting allowed.
Scizor CT Council Janitor Posts: 642 (11/14/03 8:40 pm) 68.155.148.141 Reply \| Edit \| Del	Re: types from nowhere Fads tend to cycle every 20-30 years, so don't count on them being dead... EDIT: Typos. Edited by: Scizor CT at: 11/15/03 3:48 am
Robo Blue Vorticon Elite Posts: 811 (11/15/03 3:09 am) 24.187.190.18 Reply \| Edit \| Del	Anime and merchandising *Quote:* I wonder where shudder Pokemon and all the other hyped up Japanese merchandise games and TV shows will be in a couple of years... I wonder if people will look back and think, "Man, we really were sucked in to buying a lot of crap because it was 'cool'." I doubt it'll be, "Hey, remember Pokemon?" I used to watch Pokemon when it first came out... then the merchandising was overdone and I began to despise it. That's the unfortunate result of business, and, in the US especially, when something is popular, the owners of the licence allow manufacturers to swoop in and grab the chance to make some quick cash with cheap goods. The producer earns another couple million (or in the case of Pokemon, a couple billion), and the kids end up with overpriced, poorly made goods (I'm not sure how many of them you can even call toys). As for the show itself, it was of course VASTLY overhyped, and was a rather watered down version of the original product to begin with (when anime is edited to remove offensive material, some of the soul of it is lost as well). *Quote:* Nowadays, it's different; little kids watch Japanese shit like Pokemon and Dragonball Z. Most of these cartoons are only about to take and win. For our good Keen there won't be a place in that world unless they changed him into a Pokemon alike monster. Pokemon doesn't really belong in the same category as DBZ, as it was Americanised far more easily, and is much more suitable for kids to watch (it was centered around morals and people more so than fighting). DBZ was the anime that created the anime stereotype (fighting, fighting, fighting, and more fighting), and did not, IMO, have any meritable emotional aspects. Any good story has to have a decent spectrum of human emotions, and DBZ seemed to focus on anger, revenge, and honor. It was clearly too violent for it's target audience, and thus had to be edited. A LOT was taken out, and whole chunks of plot were removed with them. The company that subbed the anime made many mistakes, and basically gutted the plot, rather than raise the target audience age to something more appropriate by American standards. As for anime becoming more violent, this is somewhat true, but somewhat missing the point. Much of the anime that will be coming to the US soon has gained in emotional quality rather than lost in violence. Basically, the characters are fighting for something more than just honor, or to save the world. There are deeper personalities and emotions backing the violence, thus justifying it, in a sense. However, I belive that much of the emotional impact is too powerful for the younger viewers (in really good animes such as Naruto). Hopefully, the subbers will make the right decisions in editing, and aim less violent (but still excellent) animes such as Hikaru no go (it's about a Japanese game, similar to chess in it's difficulty and competitiveness) toward younger viewers. However, nothing can change the fact that these shows are altered from their original forms, and are best viewed in the original Japanese (if you have the time and dedication, which few people do). That's why I prefer anime subbed by amatuers to anime dubbed by professionals. To bring this all back to the subject, Anime is an art form in it's own right, but it is also (as Scizor commented) a fad. It will probably not affect the long-term interests of children as much as palpable concerns such as education. The shows kids watch and the games they play have a powerful impact on their emotional and mental development. Therefore, I believe that Keen is (or would be) much more welcome in parents' eyes than newer games such as Soul Caliber and Jack & Dakster. Edited by: Robo Blue at: 11/15/03 3:11 am
Djaser Holy Monk Yorp Posts: 1982 (11/15/03 4:12 pm) 212.92.76.33 Reply \| Edit \| Del	Re: Anime and merchandising I don't say every aniem I see is bad, but the stuff I saw was. ----------------- Sinterklaas and Djaser hate Santa Claus!!!! Download free games on The Dos Vault!!! The Dos Vault forum, guest posting allowed.
CommanderSpleen Vortininja Posts: 78 (11/16/03 2:06 pm) 203.221.144.28 Reply \| Edit \| Del	Re: Anime and merchandising *Quote:* As for the immortality thing, I've experienced too many things to disbelieve in such things as life after death, eternity and infinite possibilities. And I intend to make the most of each moment I'm given, and just see what happens. Several days ago, I could have sworn I'd seen a news report about a train derailment in Melbourne. I walked into the house the other day at around 7pm and was told that a train had derailed in Melbourne, and my attention was directed to the television where a news report had just come on describing the incident. My first response was, "Yeah, I know." Then I was told it happened two hours before. So, let's add another to the list: premonition. Or, more technically, pre-emptive reverse memory lapse. As for the Anime discussion, it's unfortunate the way such quality Japanese programming is so poorly Americanised and overly merchandised--wrong target audience, poor dubbing, excessive hype... hopefully one day we'll learn. I'm going to stay out of a discussion of the moral aspects regarding violence and such in such productions. IMHO it's unhealthy to repress particular areas of society... violence, sex, drugs. Indulgance in such things may cause problems, but inhibiting freedom of expression and creating taboos really doesn't help the problem at all either. If anything they cause more problems. I'm not going to get into a modern-society-bashing session here, though, so let's just leave it at that before I go too far off topic. >Commander Spleen ö Cave assectatorem Ductoris Alacris ö "The rich get richer and the poor get poorer. So why choose to be poor?" - My cat's food tin (a.k.a. Larry) JimSoft Lair: Huge Spatang.com Portage Underway. Massive Developments Coming!
Robo Blue Vorticon Elite Posts: 816 (11/16/03 6:26 pm) 24.187.190.18 Reply \| Edit \| Del	Re: Anime and merchandising *Quote:* I don't say every aniem I see is bad, but the stuff I saw was. ah, ok. I thought you were expressing a rather closed-minded view of anime, as a result of not having seen any really good ones. *Quote:* As for the Anime discussion, it's unfortunate the way such quality Japanese programming is so poorly Americanised and overly merchandised--wrong target audience, poor dubbing, excessive hype... hopefully one day we'll learn. *Quote:* I'm going to stay out of a discussion of the moral aspects regarding violence and such in such productions. IMHO it's unhealthy to repress particular areas of society... violence, sex, drugs. Indulgance in such things may cause problems, but inhibiting freedom of expression and creating taboos really doesn't help the problem at all either. If anything they cause more problems. That's exactly what I was trying to say, Spleen! Freedom of expression is important in our society. Official Keenbound Site Visit The Dos Vault Message Board. I'm an admin
eK Isonian Posts: 1355 (11/18/03 5:46 am) 143.109.90.227 Reply \| Edit \| Del	Re: Anime and merchandising In 60 years more than this community will be dead, a small number of us and likely, Tom Hall will also be dead. Neat!
Djaser Holy Monk Yorp Posts: 1999 (11/18/03 7:13 am) 212.92.76.33 Reply \| Edit \| Del	Re: Anime and merchandising Tom will live on. And if he really died, ID will finally release the Keen source code to celebrate. ----------------- Sinterklaas and Djaser hate Santa Claus!!!! Download free games on The Dos Vault!!! The Dos Vault forum, guest posting allowed.
Xtraverse Stranded Fish Posts: 2541 (11/18/03 3:04 pm) 64.30.37.14 Reply \| Edit \| Del	Re: Anime and merchandising Actually, ID would probably "accidently" lose the source. Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats you on experience -- Mark Twain spatang.com
KeenRush Photachyon Transceiver Posts: 4391 (11/18/03 5:53 pm) 212.246.17.130 Reply \| Edit \| Del	Re: Anime and merchandising Argh, iD is so annoying.. Why they couldn't just give the source, they will get a lot of cash from their own games, not to mention they already probably have quite much money.. Yeah, and if this community's dead, who said there can't be other Keen communities in the future. Keen mods, please!
Djaser Holy Monk Yorp Posts: 2005 (11/18/03 7:28 pm) 212.92.76.33 Reply \| Edit \| Del	Re: Anime and merchandising Like the Dos vault ----------------- Sinterklaas and Djaser hate Santa Claus!!!! Download free games on The Dos Vault!!! The Dos Vault forum, guest posting allowed.
Robo Blue Vorticon Elite Posts: 824 (11/18/03 11:53 pm) 24.187.190.18 Reply \| Edit \| Del	Re: Anime and merchandising Tom's death will be sad, but it doesn't need to mean the end of keening (especially if there's a new keen game in the future). I'm sure that no-one at Nintendo would dare think of ending the Mario line when Miyamoto dies. Official Keenbound Site Visit The Dos Vault Message Board. I'm an admin
Dr Villain Vortininja Posts: 73 (11/22/03 12:30 am) 64.12.96.199 Reply \| Edit \| Del	Re: Anime and merchandising I think I saw a philosphy board a few servers back if you wind bags want to yak about immortality and morals. It takes about 60 years just to read half of your posts! *Quote:* Therefore, I think we'll move into a holographic interface system, presumably something three-dimensional. Even IF the system changes so drastically that they become telepathically operated, I'm sure that there will still be people like the DOSBox team who will work to compensate. Upon reading that I pictured a 'vid-screen' from Reboot with the Dos prompt on it. (Anybody remember that show?) As for the future, I'll be a cybernetic dictator, and this community will be dust. Villain Technologies Helping the Bad Guys since 2003
Ilsoap Flect Posts: 800 (11/22/03 10:13 am) 24.67.253.204 Reply \| Edit \| Del	Re: Anime and merchandising Okay, this forum has been borderline off-topic for quite a few posts now... if it turns into a "what will the world be like in 60 years" I'm moving it. Not that's really a threat, it won't be GONE, just please stay somewhat Keenish. http://www.screenhog.com/
Robo Blue Vorticon Elite Posts: 832 (11/22/03 11:57 pm) 24.187.190.18 Reply \| Edit \| Del	Re: Anime and merchandising *Quote:* I think I saw a philosphy board a few servers back if you wind bags want to yak about immortality and morals. It takes about 60 years just to read half of your posts! I think a philosophy board is a great idea for the PCKF! I've had philosophical conversations with many people (notably Spleen and Ilsoap) and I think that we would benefit from having an environment dedicated to that cause exclusively. *Quote:* Upon reading that I pictured a 'vid-screen' from Reboot with the Dos prompt on it. (Anybody remember that show?) Yep, I remember it. That show ran for well over 400 episodes, if I remember correctly. That's pretty much what I was picturing as I wrote it. Official Keenbound Site Visit The Dos Vault Message Board. I'm an admin
KeenRush Photachyon Transceiver Posts: 4404 (11/23/03 12:05 am) 212.246.17.130 Reply \| Edit \| Del	.. Heh, philosophy's pretty nice. I like it. If I only would be better in English.. Keen mods, please!
CommanderSpleen Vortininja Posts: 83 (11/23/03 3:07 am) 203.221.145.204 Reply \| Edit \| Del	Philosophical Discussions Rock *Quote:* just please stay somewhat Keenish. K. I wonder what Keen would be like at age 68... I'm sure he'd have scrapped the pogo stick long ago in favour of a plain old walking stick... though he'd likely have a couple of standard modifications, such as a couple of buttons reading "ACTIVATE ROCKET BOOSTERS", "GENERATE HOLOGRAPHIC PROJECTION", "SUMMON BWB" and "PONG". Sure, considering the stuff he created when he was 8, he'd probably be able to do more about his arthritis than most, but on the whole he'd try to come off as a normal 68-year-old... even a thrice-weekly visit to the local Bowls Club with his Bip-controlled Ultrabowl. Indeed, if by then he has 8-year-old grand-children, I'd imagine him sitting by the fireplace reeling off yarns of, "When I was your age, I was off saving the Universe from my arch nemesis The Grand Intellect and his plans to destroy Earth, the Galaxy, and the Universe in sequential order! Of course, I could let nobody know about this, so I had to do the whole thing without anybody seeing what I was doing... Did I ever tell you about the Pogo stick I found on Mars?" And what about Mortimer McMire? Could he still be around, using the tried and tested threats and tactics to destroy the weak-minded? Only time may tell... *Quote:* I think a philosophy board is a great idea for the PCKF! I'm planning to start up a forum in the place of the Synchronicity site I was planning (makes it a lot easier to post a lot of rants in a short time). I could create a Philosophy section there, along with other related topics. *Quote:* That show ran for well over 400 episodes Reboot ran for over 400 episodes!? I've seen something like twenty, maximum. *Quote:* If I only would be better in English We'll just think of it as 'cryptic'. Although the post that spawned that lengthy discussion back in September came off well: "Do you know that odd feeling that makes you think and feel that you are very very small in this big universe and almost nothing compared to it's size?" Sounds very well-Englished to me... and it sums it up perfectly. It'd be cool to partake in more such conversations in the future... whether it's a section of this board or another forum entirely, if we have somewhere for such posts to go, it would bring no end of good. >Commander Spleen ö Cave assectatorem Ductoris Alacris ö "To stop your eyes from watering when chopping onions, put them in the freezer for 10 minutes beforehand." - Reader's Digest JimSoft Lair: Huge Spatang.com Portage Underway. Massive Developments Coming!
Ilsoap Flect Posts: 803 (11/23/03 7:18 am) 24.67.253.204 Reply \| Edit \| Del	Re: Philosophical Discussions Rock Small note: Reboot did not have 400 episodes, although it did have a lot. I believe it did hit the 100 mark. www.mainframe.ca may have more info (the company that animated Reboot). Keen's inventions at 68... you know, for the missions he travelled, he would have gone well past light-speed... isn't that supposed to make you age less or something? He might only look 20 when he's 68. http://www.screenhog.com/
JosephBurke Tres-tria quindecim Posts: 121 (11/23/03 9:40 am) 68.106.139.158 Reply \| Edit \| Del	If only the real thing could have survived. Let's face it though guys, by the time sixty years rolls around none of us will remember or care anymore. Personally, in sixty years I'll be on a fake indoor beach giving my wrinkled skin a tan, Reboot, that brings back memories. flashback "My digits!" The third season of Reboot was my fav. Anyway, remember, feel the 'real' sand while you can...
KeenRush Photachyon Transceiver Posts: 4406 (11/23/03 2:56 pm) 212.246.17.130 Reply \| Edit \| Del	Re: If only the real thing could have survived. Have you seen that comic TMST once made, the one where was old Keen and Mort? Yeah, I can imagine that what you said Spleen.. Probably Keen stops when is 30 or something, and maybe then his and Lindsey's son the job will continue.. Probably Mort will age and nobody will continue his job, unless he changes a lot. "I'm planning to start up a forum in the place of the Synchronicity site I was planning (makes it a lot easier to post a lot of rants in a short time). I could create a Philosophy section there, along with other related topics." Hmmm, sounds nice.. Also, what is that Reboot?! Keen mods, please!
Robo Blue Vorticon Elite Posts: 835 (11/25/03 1:34 am) 24.187.190.18 Reply \| Edit \| Del	Re: If only the real thing could have survived. *Quote:* Probably Mort will age and nobody will continue his job, unless he changes a lot. Are you sure? I personally think he'd end up as a brain in a mech suit, and live for a very long time. Of course, you don't technically know that he isn't just a head and arms... *Quote:* Small note: Reboot did not have 400 episodes, although it did have a lot. I believe it did hit the 100 mark. I downloaded an episode at one point (one of the later ones) where the file was entitled 400 something, but it could easily have been mislabeled (I got it from KAZAA after all) so Ilsoap's probably right. Official Keenbound Site Visit The Dos Vault Message Board. I'm an admin
Scizor CT Council Janitor Posts: 645 (11/25/03 1:44 am) 68.221.132.231 Reply \| Edit \| Del	Re: If only the real thing could have survived. Reboot only had 3 seasons and a few episodes after that. Nowhere near enough to constitute 400 episodes, as much as that would rock.
JosephBurke Tres-tria quindecim Posts: 124 (11/25/03 4:30 am) 68.106.139.158 Reply \| Edit \| Del	hey, if it aint two There are four seasons.
Scizor CT Council Janitor Posts: 646 (11/25/03 4:59 am) 68.221.132.231 Reply \| Edit \| Del	Re: hey, if it aint two Hmm. Never saw most of the fourth, then. Drat.
JosephBurke Tres-tria quindecim Posts: 125 (11/25/03 5:00 am) 68.106.139.158 Reply \| Edit \| Del	if i were a borg Mort would probably end up becoming a creature like the Borg, where there is no specific him or it. A complete listing of all reboot episodes. uts.cc.utexas.edu/~ifex534/episodes.html
Too Much Spare Time King Slug Posts: 771 (11/26/03 2:39 pm) 218.101.92.118 Reply \| Edit \| Del	Still chugging... Yeah, I'm still here TCL999! I don't post as often, but I'll never go away forever! Geeze, SIX Whole Decades from now? I don't think anyone could guess at anything that far ahead. I had a go at creating a techno-fantasy future-world for Commander Keen's midlife crisis years in some of my Chasm comics www.thisstrife.com/sluggy/chasm.htm and that was tricky enough. I'm quite proud of the VR devices that I "invented", with their slot-in games and near-hallucinatory properties... but then I also made some pretty far-fetched suggestions, like Duke Nukem being president... hehe. Like the US would ever end up with a warlord Prez like THAT! The PCKF is one of the better forums that I've visited, and I'm not just saying that coz it was the first EzyBoard that I ever signed up for, but because the people here are intelligent, creative and thoughtful. So many other forums are dominated by sigs, flames, and "leetspeak" (a language which I never knew about until I look at other forums, funnily enough). And it looks like new, interesting folk are turning up all the time, like CommanderSpleen for instance. (Some captivating reading!) Anyway, before we all start getting all misty eyed... Sixty years ago there was world war, computers were enormous machines based on vaccum tubes instead of transistors, and the concept of space travel wasn't even a realistic dream. Think about all the revolutionary stuff that has happened with every decade since the mid 1940's up until the present day. To look at a community's future of 3 years is damn hard. Ten years? Near impossible. Sixty years? Chances are that everything we know - including Keen, motorcars, and The Internet - will have been replaced by something that we could not recognise, but is just as likely to be gone in another 60 years' time. (Wow, I hope this big rant makes up for all the posts that I've missed recently!) Edited by: Too Much Spare Time at: 11/26/03 2:44 pm

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