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adurdin Wormouth Posts: 924 (3/14/04 5:59 am) Reply	ModKeen 2.0 released! Especially for 3/14, I've released ModKeen 2.0! Apart from an all-new fabulous command line parameter list, this cranking new version can handle Keen 4, 5, and* 6! You'd better believe it. Now you can create your own tiles, sprites, bitmaps, stories, and demos for these episodes. Fabulous things are in store (I hope). Get it from Keen:Modding! (*we write it the right way down here: 14/3)
KeenRush Photachyon Transceiver Posts: 5258 (3/14/04 7:49 am) Reply	Re: ModKeen 2.0 released! Heh, I sure know. Neato job adurdin! Modding scene takes the next step. (* they write it 14/3 here as well) I've got only one message for you: ++++++++[>+++++++++<-]>+++.------..+++++++++.
XkyRauh2001 Mortimer's Right Hand Man Posts: 748 (3/14/04 8:09 am) Reply	re: ModKeen2.0 WOO-freakin'-HOO!! Now the fun begins--can't wait to see what the community does with this stuff. I may just skip the possibility of a Keen3 mod and jump straight to something more... versatile. We'll see. --Xky
SkypestB2 Posts: 2 (3/14/04 8:41 am) Reply	Really cool Sounds really cool, I downloaded it now and I'll test it in the afternoon. to (Nahh, this won't happen... )
Snaily Messie Posts: 991 (3/14/04 9:14 am) Reply	Re: Really cool This is very, very interesting - great work, Andrew. But I wish anyone seriously considering to make a Keen 4 mod luck - there's over 400 images to edit. ________ 杓_
LevelLord00 Vortininja Posts: 139 (3/14/04 9:39 am) Reply	Re: Really cool Well can someone mail me those 400 images? Because my computer is really throwing a fit here, (it won't allow unlzexe or simalar programs to run.) "No one should be here" -Level Lord
XkyRauh2001 Mortimer's Right Hand Man Posts: 754 (3/14/04 10:17 am) Reply	re: ModKeen2.0 LevelLord00: The folder's nearly 3mb--that's a little much at one time for my 56k. Hopefully you get things working soon. :-) Now, as far as Keen:Galaxy modding goes... All I can really say is that: timeForKeen4mod = [(timeForKeen1mod * timeForKeen4levelpack) - planningAhead + (timeForKeen1playtest * TED5LearningCurve) - patience] or at least something similar. :-) There's a LOT to do. When you're doing a Keen:Vorticons mod, you can afford to just jump right in and fiddle with a few things here and there... but at first glance, if you want to even change 1 simple enemy, you're looking at close to an hour of work AFTER you've changed just the graphic. Plotting relative coordinates, changing TED5 icons, playtesting the poor thing to make sure your changed creature works... I don't even want to begin thinking about how difficult it's going to be to create tiling backgrounds of the magnitude required for that nTIL0000.bmp file. Adrian Carmack's got heaps of new respect in my eyes. :-) This is an astonishing breakthrough, but it's really gonna take the Keenest of the Keen to make a Keen:Galaxy mod. It's gonna be a huge undertaking just to do a simple adaptation (like the ZeldaII mod, Dangerous Keen in the Haunted Mansion, etc.) and creating something ORIGINAL is gonna be over a year in the making, I'd imagine. I wish you all the best of luck. I'm gonna need to ponder this for a good long while and write up some design documents before I even CONSIDER starting one of these puppies. Andy, you rock. --Xky
Yowza Vortininja Posts: 229 (3/14/04 11:05 am) Reply	Re: re: ModKeen2.0 Whoo! ... and damn Why damn? Well, a Keen 4 level pack doesn't seem as good when Keen 4 mods are possible But whatever, I'll keep working on it anyway (I should cut down on emotikeens :P)
KeenRush Photachyon Transceiver Posts: 5259 (3/14/04 1:43 pm) Reply	Re: re: ModKeen2.0 Looks like I soon need to start learning TED seriously. Well, it will be really hard job to make totally new mod replacing all the stuff, but imagine the ready one, it's really worth of seeing! And, if it's too much for one, nobody says it's too much for a mod team. Anyways. I'm going to do Keen 4 or 5 or 6 mod when I'm mature enough to move on these "new" Keens. :P Also, can't wait to see the new skins you people hopefully make. Finally a chance to play as Mort. I've got only one message for you: ++++++++[>+++++++++<-]>+++.------..+++++++++.
TCL999 Vorticon Elite Posts: 395 (3/14/04 2:06 pm) Reply	Re: re: ModKeen2.0 Amazing job Adurdin... Guess I'll have to download it sometime soon and play around with it. So when can we expect a Keen Dreams ModKeen? Just kidding Edited by: TCL999 at: 3/14/04 2:06 pm
Zorath Vortininja Posts: 241 (3/14/04 2:59 pm) Reply	Re: re: ModKeen2.0 Wow. This is really - REALLY - awesome! It will be hard to wait for the first Keen 4-6 mods. Edited by: Zorath at: 3/14/04 3:01 pm
CommanderSpleen Vortininja Posts: 217 (3/14/04 8:45 pm) Reply	=(8D)- Well, that was unexpected. dances around randomly, singing songs about leprechauns and Keen4-6 modding >Commander WOOHOO! � Cave assectatorem Ductoris Alacris � "Keep thy heart (imagination) with all diligence, for out of it are the issues of life." Proverbs 4:23 JimSoft Lair http://jimsoftlair.tripod.com/
Xtraverse Stranded Fish Posts: 2805 (3/14/04 11:23 pm) Reply	Re: =(8D)- [speechless] Some people are pragmatists, taking things as they come and making the best of the choices available. Some people are idealists, standing for principle and refusing to compromise. And some people just act on any whim that enters their heads. I pragmatically turn my whims into principles. -- Calvin spatang.com
LevelLord00 Vortininja Posts: 141 (3/15/04 5:35 am) Reply	Re: =(8)-) *Quote:* nobody says it's too much for a mod team Yeah, something along the lines of CKCM, but in this case you could assign individual enemies, etc to people. I bet if everyone here were just to design one part we could make a mod in a month. (To heck with planning ahead, give 'em a general subject, the mod'll be a little quirky, but playable.) The chance that this will displace Keen 1-3 modding or keen 4-6 levelpacks (As Keen 1-3 modding displaced Keen 1-3 levelpacks) is remote as I'd say one person could do about one mod a year (WAY too long for my attention span) Wheras even a good Keen 1 mod can be done in 2-4 weeks (good, not great.) Given the latest offerings and rapid development of Keen 1-3 modding, the need for Keen 4-6 mods has been steadily diminishing. (Not many people here look like they've been activly thinking about Modkeen 2.0 for a long time.) *Quote:* So when can we expect a Keen Dreams ModKeen? It shouldn't be as hard as making Modkeen 2.0, and given the large number of spare tiles in Keen 3.5, There is great potential (or quick modding) Also, modding games based on the Keen engine (Biomenace, Dangerous Dave) should also be possible, vastly expanding modding resources. "No one should be here" -Level Lord
Br1ck Grunt Posts: 47 (3/15/04 6:32 am) Reply	Re: =(8)-) Here's something for editing those clipping rectangles, and sprite origin coordinates: K-Sprite. It'll let you visually modify the clipping and origin--even if it extends beyone the sprite's limits. It's by no means finished. Not too sure I'll do any more to it, though--it gets the job done....
KeenRush Photachyon Transceiver Posts: 5266 (3/15/04 4:17 pm) Reply	Re: =(8)-) I don't have imagination enough to replace over ten of enemies.. Well, what I think there will be Keen 1-3 mods still (at least I will work on them), but people start to want more stuff for the 'new' Keens. Edit: By the way, adurdin, is it time for TileInfo 2.0 soon? I've got only one message for you: ++++++++[>+++++++++<-]>+++.------..+++++++++. Edited by: KeenRush at: 3/15/04 4:18 pm
Djaser Holy Monk Yorp Posts: 2410 (3/15/04 4:43 pm) Reply	Re: =(8)-) Wow maybe no Keen1mod but a Keen 4 mod ----------------- Download free games on The Dos Vault!!! The Dos Vault Forum is BACK!!! And it's here to stay.
LevelLord00 Vortininja Posts: 151 (3/16/04 10:01 am) Reply	Re: =(8)-) *Quote:* Well, what I think there will be Keen 1-3 mods still (at least I will work on them), but people start to want more stuff for the 'new' Keens. Maybe, but if someone works on a Keen 4 mod, they'll be unable to do anything else Keen for a long time. Keen 1-3 mods will overcome by sheer force of numbers and ease of creation (We still get the odd Keen 3 level pack don't we?) *Quote:* Edit: By the way, adurdin, is it time for TileInfo 2.0 soon? I dunno about you, but I already have a Keen 4-6 tileinfo. "No one should be here" -Level Lord
JosephBurke Tres-tria quindecim Posts: 332 (3/16/04 10:37 pm) Reply	hope is simple and true Unbelievable and the time Andrew had to put into this was probably equivalent to a bunch of Keen Galaxy style mods.
Frenkel Vortininja Posts: 308 (3/17/04 10:31 am) Reply	2 weeks He wrote it in 2 weeks.
adurdin Wormouth Posts: 927 (3/17/04 11:53 am) Reply	Re: 2 weeks I was spending nearly all my spare time on ModKeen 2.0, even when I was moving house and also should have been working on a research paper... so it wasn't an ordinary two weeks. But it was fun, and I got the paper done anyway, so it's all right. Now I can continue unpacking my boxes of books!
JosephBurke Tres-tria quindecim Posts: 335 (3/18/04 7:00 am) Reply	click ^^I meant the years it took to get to this point.
thenewmoonsidianX Vortininja Posts: 251 (3/22/04 12:01 am) Reply	Re: click I'm having some trouble starting ModKeen 1, to be slightly on-topic with ModKeen 2. What exactly do I do to start the program because it finishes when I click it.
Xtraverse Stranded Fish Posts: 2824 (3/22/04 12:57 am) Reply	Re: click spatang.com/ck/tut/modkeen.php Some people are pragmatists, taking things as they come and making the best of the choices available. Some people are idealists, standing for principle and refusing to compromise. And some people just act on any whim that enters their heads. I pragmatically turn my whims into principles. -- Calvin spatang.com
rorie1983 Keen Crazy Posts: 62 (3/22/04 10:20 pm) Reply	Re: ModKeen 2.0 released! hooray finally a editor for episodes for 4,5 & 6 The Dos Vault Forum
thenewmoonsidianX Vortininja Posts: 252 (3/23/04 1:08 pm) Reply	Re: ModKeen 2.0 released! Alright. Apparently I'm missing a lot of files, but the Keen games still work fine. How would I get kxdata.lst and source bitmap files?
rorie1983 Keen Crazy Posts: 66 (3/23/04 9:49 pm) Reply	Re: ModKeen 2.0 released! *Quote:* Alright. Apparently I'm missing a lot of files, but the Keen games still work fine. How would I get kxdata.lst and source bitmap files? i did this yesterday, hmm let me think, okay i got it first use Unlzexe.exe to decompress the version of keen you want to use, example (drag Unlzexe.exe over Keen4e.exe) then run tedsetup.exe, then run modkeen -episode=4 -export -bmpdir="c:\My Mods\Keen4" you can change this directory if you want to to get more info, download & run modkeen2.exe yourself hope this helps The Dos Vault Forum
LevelLord00 Vortininja Posts: 219 (3/24/04 3:08 am) Reply	Re: ModKeen 2.0 released! So you need tedstetup to run Modkeen? "No one should be here" -Level Lord
rorie1983 Keen Crazy Posts: 70 (3/24/04 3:15 am) Reply	Re: ModKeen 2.0 released! that's what i found out The Dos Vault Forum BASTARD'S OF HUMAN RIGHTS
KeenRush Photachyon Transceiver Posts: 5336 (3/24/04 5:08 am) Reply	Re: ModKeen 2.0 released! Nope. But that's useful probably to do there if one wants to edit levels too. I've got only one message for you: ++++++++[>+++++++++<-]>+++.------..+++++++++.
Frenkel Vortininja Posts: 317 (3/24/04 12:41 pm) Reply	unlzexe *Quote:* (drag Unlzexe.exe over Keen4e.exe) I always drag Keen4e.exe over Unlzexe.exe
thenewmoonsidianX Vortininja Posts: 253 (3/24/04 4:43 pm) Reply	Re: unlzexe I meant ModKeen 1. I can't find the files for that.
KeenRush Photachyon Transceiver Posts: 5339 (3/24/04 5:20 pm) Reply	Re: unlzexe No. With the first ModKeen only thing you need is the exe. Meaning that only thing you need is modkeen.exe, it doesn't come with any other files that you need. There you type the folder names and the list you want it to create. It (the .lst-file) doesn't exist before or anything. I use always name "keendata.lst". You don't need to care anything about the list as long you type there some name when exporting, and importing using the same list name. You don't ever need to touch the list file. And yes, other exes must be dragged on the top of unlzexe (if using that kind of way in Windows). I've got only one message for you: ++++++++[>+++++++++<-]>+++.------..+++++++++. Edited by: KeenRush at: 3/24/04 5:22 pm
LevelLord00 Vortininja Posts: 223 (3/25/04 9:25 am) Reply	Re: unlzexe Fiddling with the listfile (with notepad) can produce interesting results. "No one should be here" -Level Lord
thenewmoonsidianX Vortininja Posts: 254 (3/25/04 1:40 pm) Reply	Re: unlzexe So ModKeen 1 creates the .lst files when opened. That was a bit confusing. After I type in this command... MODKEEN e 1 C:\keenmod1\k1data.lst it says "ERROR! Can't open EGAHEAD.CK1!" What do I do? By the way, sorry if I'm being annoying with this constant question-asking.
KeenRush Photachyon Transceiver Posts: 5345 (3/25/04 4:32 pm) Reply	Re: unlzexe Hmmm, make sure the path is correct. And that you have all your Keen files in the directory (of course!!). When I said that the only thing you need is modkeen.exe I of course assumed you HAVE your Keen 1 files in the directory. I guess you have now there only modkeen.exe, right? I've got only one message for you: ++++++++[>+++++++++<-]>+++.------..+++++++++.
thenewmoonsidianX Vortininja Posts: 256 (3/26/04 1:37 pm) Reply	Re: unlzexe Thanks, it worked! So, now if I wanted to edit the levels, how would I do that, because all it seems that I can do is mess with the graphics.
KeenRush Photachyon Transceiver Posts: 5359 (3/26/04 5:59 pm) Reply	RMB no remmy no skippy no fate yeah Good good.. Easy deal, just get a level editor. There are some, and I prefer this most: www.durdin.net/andy/keen/keenedit.zip Just install it to your keenfolder/keenedit/. Then you can easily make levels there and just copy them to your Keen main folder and replace the old ones. I've got only one message for you: ++++++++[>+++++++++<-]>+++.------..+++++++++.
0 UNFLEEXABLE 0 aka Silly the Ghost Posts: 1626 (3/26/04 9:28 pm) Reply	Re: RMB no remmy no skippy no fate yeah cool! i'd downloaded it and tired it last night and keen5 keeps locking my computer. I tried to change the title screen to see how it turns out and whenever i open keen5e.exe it locks up my computer... help! > Hello Kiddies! I'm Silly the Ghost!
adurdin Wormouth Posts: 931 (3/26/04 10:05 pm) Reply	Re: RMB no remmy no skippy no fate yeah You need to use CK5Patch with the patch file that ModKeen 2 creates in order to use the modified graphics.
Zero Diamond Meep Posts: 1 (3/28/04 1:41 am) Reply	Re: ModKeen 2.0 released! This is great. Except for the fact that none of my stupid exes, UNLZEXEd or not, refuse to extract. WHYYYYYYYYY?!
0 UNFLEEXABLE 0 aka Silly the Ghost Posts: 1632 (3/28/04 6:19 am) Reply	Re: ModKeen 2.0 released! call me stupid, but there's no patch file!!! > Hello Kiddies! I'm Silly the Ghost!
KeenRush Photachyon Transceiver Posts: 5373 (3/28/04 8:22 am) Reply	Re: ModKeen 2.0 released! Hello Zero Diamond, what do you type there? Sure you give ModKeen 2 the right commands? I've got only one message for you: ++++++++[>+++++++++<-]>+++.------..+++++++++.
LevelLord00 Vortininja Posts: 252 (3/28/04 9:53 am) Reply	Re: ModKeen 2.0 released! Hey Zero, same problem here. UNZLEXE says that Keen4 is 'not a LZEXE file' but Modkeen says that Keen4 hasn't been UNZLEXE'd "No one should be here" -Level Lord
adurdin Wormouth Posts: 933 (3/28/04 10:21 am) Reply	Re: ModKeen 2.0 released! Make sure you've got Keen 4 version 1.4, and that it's decompressed -- if you have a different version, ModKeen 2 won't recognise it (and will assume it's still compressed).
thenewmoonsidianX Vortininja Posts: 261 (3/28/04 8:24 pm) Reply	Re: ModKeen 2.0 released! Where can I download KeenWright or KMO, because neither of CC314's links work. And which level editor is more Windows friendly? Hi Zero Diamond. I can't get my UNLZEXEs to work either. Maybe it's my computer.....
rorie1983 Keen Crazy Posts: 75 (3/28/04 11:13 pm) Reply	Re: ModKeen 2.0 released! i need help with modkeen i used Unlzexe.exe to decompress keen then i type modkeen -episode=4 -export -bmpdir="c:\My Mods\Keen4" then i executed tedsetup.exe (i think this could be my problem i don't know) then i edit the graphics, i merged them back in & then when i try to run the new executable it quits without warning can somebody please help me sent andrew an email about this The Dos Vault Forum BASTARD'S OF HUMAN RIGHTS Edited by: rorie1983 at: 3/29/04 2:21 am
Xtraverse Stranded Fish Posts: 2835 (3/29/04 12:43 am) Reply	Re: ModKeen 2.0 released! When you merge them back in you must run GoX.bat (where X is the keen game you're modding) for it to work. Some people are pragmatists, taking things as they come and making the best of the choices available. Some people are idealists, standing for principle and refusing to compromise. And some people just act on any whim that enters their heads. I pragmatically turn my whims into principles. -- Calvin spatang.com
rorie1983 Keen Crazy Posts: 76 (3/29/04 2:20 am) Reply	Re: ModKeen 2.0 released! strange i run GoX.bat & i get a bad command or file name message, what i am doing wrong? The Dos Vault Forum BASTARD'S OF HUMAN RIGHTS
adurdin Wormouth Posts: 934 (3/29/04 7:14 am) Reply	Re: ModKeen 2.0 released! I'd guess that you don't have CK4Patch (or CK5Patch, or CK6Patch, whichever is appropriate) in the same directory. You'll need to download it and unzip the exes.
LevelLord00 Vortininja Posts: 258 (3/29/04 11:00 am) Reply	Re: ModKeen 2.0 released! *Quote:* Make sure you've got Keen 4 version 1.4, and that it's decompressed -- if you have a different version, ModKeen 2 won't recognise it (and will assume it's still compressed). My problem is not modkeen not recognizing Keen4, its UNZLEXE not decompressing it. "No one should be here" -Level Lord
KeenRush Photachyon Transceiver Posts: 5375 (3/29/04 1:09 pm) Reply	Re: ModKeen 2.0 released! Maybe you could search unlzexe again and try, just in case.. Or try to download another Keen 4 1.4 somewhere. I've got only one message for you: ++++++++[>+++++++++<-]>+++.------..+++++++++.
JosephBurke Tres-tria quindecim Posts: 346 (3/29/04 9:08 pm) Reply	blah *Quote:* My problem is not modkeen not recognizing Keen4, its UNZLEXE not decompressing it. Which is why he said you need version 1.4, if you have version 1.4 say so.
rorie1983 Keen Crazy Posts: 78 (3/29/04 11:01 pm) Reply	Re: ModKeen 2.0 released! *Quote:* I'd guess that you don't have CK4Patch (or CK5Patch, or CK6Patch, whichever is appropriate) in the same directory. You'll need to download it and unzip the exes. i already have ckpatch0.9.0, explain to me step by step on what to do The Dos Vault Forum BASTARD'S OF HUMAN RIGHTS
thenewmoonsidianX Vortininja Posts: 264 (3/30/04 3:18 am) Reply	Re: ModKeen 2.0 released! Where can I download KeenWright or KMO, because neither of CC314's links work.
adurdin Wormouth Posts: 935 (3/30/04 6:09 am) Reply	Re: ModKeen 2.0 released! KeenWright is at durdin.net/andy/keen/modd...wright.zip And for step-by-step instructions for modding Keen 4: Create a folder. Copy Keen 4 v 1.4 into that folder. Run UNLZEXE on KEEN4E.exe Copy ModKeen 2 into that folder Copy CK4Patch (v0.90) into that folder Create a subfolder (e.g. "Data") Open up a command prompt in the main folder Type "modkeen -episode=4 -export -bmpdir=Data" Edit the pictures and stuff in the subfolder Go back to the command prompt Type "modkeen -episode=4 -import -bmpdir=Data" Type "CK4Patch keen4.pat" Rinse and repeat. If you're using TED5, you'll need to change the last step: after running TEDSETUP, open up patch4.pat, and add the line "%egahead EGAHEAD.CK4" Then to run Keen you use "CK4Patch patch4.pat".
KeenRush Photachyon Transceiver Posts: 5386 (3/30/04 4:34 pm) Reply	Re: ModKeen 2.0 released! Nice instructions. I've got only one message for you: ++++++++[>+++++++++<-]>+++.------..+++++++++.
rorie1983 Keen Crazy Posts: 79 (3/30/04 11:00 pm) Reply	Re: ModKeen 2.0 released! i did everything but when i try CK4Patch patch4.pat the dang computer resets The Dos Vault Forum BASTARD'S OF HUMAN RIGHTS Edited by: rorie1983 at: 3/31/04 12:17 am
KeenRush Photachyon Transceiver Posts: 5390 (3/31/04 2:15 pm) Reply	Re: ModKeen 2.0 released! Hmmm, then there is probably nothing we can do. I've got only one message for you: ++++++++[>+++++++++<-]>+++.------..+++++++++.
rorie1983 Keen Crazy Posts: 83 (3/31/04 11:07 pm) Reply	Re: ModKeen 2.0 released! i tried it again at home last night and it worked The Dos Vault Forum BASTARD'S OF HUMAN RIGHTS
KeenRush Photachyon Transceiver Posts: 5399 (4/1/04 12:06 pm) Reply	Re: ModKeen 2.0 released! Good for you! Going to try moddin'? I've got only one message for you: ++++++++[>+++++++++<-]>+++.------..+++++++++.
0 UNFLEEXABLE 0 aka Silly the Ghost Posts: 1640 (4/2/04 7:45 am) Reply	Re: ModKeen 2.0 released! rorie is that really ur pic? > Hello Kiddies! I'm Silly the Ghost!
KeenRush Photachyon Transceiver Posts: 5404 (4/2/04 8:17 am) Reply	Re: ModKeen 2.0 released! Garg it, it is. How many times you've asked that? I've got only one message for you: ++++++++[>+++++++++<-]>+++.------..+++++++++.
0 UNFLEEXABLE 0 aka Silly the Ghost Posts: 1645 (4/2/04 8:26 am) Reply	Re: ModKeen 2.0 released! twice. that garg of yours is starting to scare me keenrush... > Hello Kiddies! I'm Silly the Ghost! Edited by: 0 UNFLEEXABLE 0 at: 4/2/04 8:27 am
LevelLord00 Vortininja Posts: 291 (4/2/04 11:51 am) Reply	Re: ModKeen 2.0 released! Its so small and green, it has beady eyes, its always following me around the room! * Hides behind chair * "No one should be here" -Level Lord
KeenRush Photachyon Transceiver Posts: 5409 (4/2/04 2:28 pm) Reply	Re: ModKeen 2.0 released! Hmmm, that must be baby garg then.. A full grown one is as tall as 8-year-old kid genius. [/garg expert] I've got only one message for you: ++++++++[>+++++++++<-]>+++.------..+++++++++.
LevelLord00 Vortininja Posts: 298 (4/3/04 12:16 am) Reply	Re: ModKeen 2.0 released! NAAAAARRRGGKKK! All your computer are Garg! Chair tasty! Human not bad. "No one should be here" -Level Lord
0 UNFLEEXABLE 0 aka Silly the Ghost Posts: 1655 (4/3/04 1:56 am) Reply	Don't read this... ******* Quote:** garg expert fine then... how many teeth does a garg have? {Hint : look at the garg emotikeen carefully or read the subject of this post} > Hello Kiddies! I'm Silly the Ghost!
KeenRush Photachyon Transceiver Posts: 5421 (4/3/04 7:37 am) Reply	Re: Don't read this... ********* Well, if garg's looking at you this way you can see 11 teeth there (4 of them is just 1 pixel). Probably they'll have more than we see.. I've got only one message for you: ++++++++[>+++++++++<-]>+++.------..+++++++++.
LevelLord00 Vortininja Posts: 312 (4/3/04 11:08 am) Reply	Re: Gargspert 11?! 11?!!! Haven't you heard of sharks? Gard have 7 rows of teeth, going all the way to the back of their mouth. As teeth in the front break or fall out, another row grows at the back and pushes a new tooth forward to fill the gap. The first 4 rows point downward to dice prey whilst the last three point toward the throat so dying prey cannot push itself out of the throat. Although Garg incisors look like ours, they are razor sharp at the bottom and dice like knives. The canines and 'molar' teeth are sharp and pointed like sharks. Any more questions? "No one should be here" -Level Lord
KeenRush Photachyon Transceiver Posts: 5431 (4/3/04 9:26 pm) Reply	Gargs are friendly vegetarians Hmmm, interesting theory. But I still think they have 11 (or some more you can't see from the pic) teeth, their jaws are really strong, so are their teeth (kinda like dopefish's). They aren't sharp, but if a garg is annoyed enough it can bite its way even through a metal wall even it would take some time. Strength teeth combined with strong and powerful jaws and good digestion let them eat almost anything without causing any harm.. I've got only one message for you: ++++++++[>+++++++++<-]>+++.------..+++++++++.
0 UNFLEEXABLE 0 aka Silly the Ghost Posts: 1671 (4/4/04 1:48 am) Reply	Re: Gargs are friendly vegetarians *Quote:* Gargs are friendly vegetarians the chasm of strife has all of the answers. > Hello Kiddies! I'm Silly the Ghost!
LevelLord00 Vorticon Elite Posts: 325 (4/4/04 4:48 am) Reply	Re: Gargs are friendly vegetarians *Quote:* But I still think they have 11 (or some more you can't see from the pic) teeth, their jaws are really strong, so are their teeth (kinda like dopefish's). They aren't sharp, but if a garg is annoyed enough it can bite its way even through a metal wall even it would take some time. Strength teeth combined with strong and powerful jaws and good digestion let them eat almost anything without causing any harm.. 1.) Dopefish teeth arent strong, just thick. They never actually bite anything, they merely slip in front of the dopefish's bottom jaw. 2.) Garg jaws exert a pressure of 67.4lb per square inch when closing, but only 1/500th of this when opening. As such their jaws can be held shut. 3.) Gargs digestion is very ggod, the cough up any undigestable bits (clothing, teeth, pogo sticks.) However, after consuming a Yorp they become somewhat sick. In this state the eat nothing but grass and don't bite. This has lead some to believe that thay are friendly vegitarians. You will never actually meet such a person, only be told that a friend of a friend spoke to one. Gargspert *Quote:* the chasm of strife has all of the answers Pity they don't tell you what question they answer. "No one should be here" -Level Lord
KeenRush Photachyon Transceiver Posts: 5437 (4/4/04 8:27 am) Reply	Re: Gargs are friendly vegetarians Whatever, I still think the way I said. I've got only one message for you: ++++++++[>+++++++++<-]>+++.------..+++++++++.
LevelLord00 Vorticon Elite Posts: 336 (4/4/04 10:26 am) Reply	Re: Gargs are friendly vegetarians Your emotikeen betrays your thought patterns... "No one should be here" -Level Lord
0 UNFLEEXABLE 0 aka Silly the Ghost Posts: 1681 (4/4/04 11:04 am) Reply	Re: Gargs are friendly vegetarians didn't you know that KeenRush is also known as Commander Gargfish? > Hello Kiddies! I'm Silly the Ghost!
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