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RoboRed 
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(1/9/04 4:08 am)
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A Quick Question About/Relating-To Vorticons.
If you could/would relate Vorticons to Earth creatures, would you see them more as blue, walking dogs?
     
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KeenRush 
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(1/9/04 4:57 am)
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Re: A Quick Question About/Relating-To Vorticons.
Well, when I was small and played Keen, I called them "dogs" or "blue dogs".  They still look like dog to me, though the one between red vorticon and mom, (Vorticon Warrior Elite?) looks like some other animal, can't remember even its Finnish name.
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RoboRed
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(1/9/04 5:37 am)
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Re: A Quick Question About/Relating-To Vorticons.
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Well, when I was small and played Keen, I called them "dogs" or "blue dogs".
Yeah, I used to call them "alien doggies" when I was small and played Keen.(first ep I ever played was ep3)
And I wonder, what inspired Adrian Carmack to draw up the Vorticons like they are now?
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CommanderSpleen
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(1/9/04 8:14 am)
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Vortipros. Ultrathongs. Intrapods.
I've never looked at the Vorticons with a comparison against Earth creatures in mind. I've always thought of them as something entirely different. Though I never realised Goofy was a dog when I was a kid. Strange.
It was quite irritating for the last few months of last year with all these JimSoft Commander Keen newbies asking me questions about the 'kangaroo things' and 'bouncing dog guys'.
Hmm... maybe whoever invented dogs on earth also created the Vorticons... 'mans best friend' could be a phrase hinting at this historical humanoid/canine combination... or perhaps the compatibility between the two species were the inspiration behind the invention of Vorticons...
Meh.
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KeenRush
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(1/9/04 1:09 pm)
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Re: Vortipros. Ultrathongs. Intrapods.
"Though I never realised Goofy was a dog"
He is?
Anyways. Maybe some of them had a dog and so on.
Or maybe it wasn't meant to look like dog but they noticed after the game was released..
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Djaser 
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(1/9/04 1:52 pm)
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Re: Vortipros. Ultrathongs. Intrapods.
Goofy is a dingo.
And the Vorticons remind me of wolfs because of their claws. But perhaps they are more related to humans because they are civilizated.
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KeenRush
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(1/9/04 6:33 pm)
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Re: Vortipros. Ultrathongs. Intrapods.
..And have designed deadly weapons to kill others..
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Robo Blue
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(1/9/04 8:53 pm)
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Re: Vortipros. Ultrathongs. Intrapods.
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Goofy is a dingo.
I thought goofy was a horse.
The name vorticon doesn't really say "dog" when I read it. I played keen 4 first, and initially thought that the vorticons were like guys on star trek (ie, human with some makeup).
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RoboRed
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(1/9/04 10:29 pm)
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Re: Vortipros. Ultrathongs. Intrapods.
Do you think that Vorticons have blue fur, or blue skin?
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Scizor CT
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(1/10/04 12:07 am)
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Re: Vortipros. Ultrathongs. Intrapods.
Tempted to say fur, since things with claws, teeth, and noses like theirs are normally associated with furry animals.
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XkyRauh2001 
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(1/10/04 1:19 am)
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re: Vorticons
Fur... definitely blue fur. I agree that they're somewhat lupine in appearance, but the rounded snouts (Keen3 endshot) make them much more friendly looking. I'd say they're closest to earth dogs as far as ears-and-snout go, but they're really their own creature. Just don't say "dog-like" to their face! ;-D
Bloogs, on the other hand... *shot*
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KeenRush
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(1/10/04 9:26 am)
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Re: re: Vorticons
Yeah, fur I would say too..
Seems that I have though even that (fur or skin) thing, but never actually noticed. But if now someone would come and ask what I think about orbatrix, I would say "blue skin".
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RoboRed
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(1/10/04 2:58 pm)
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Re: re: Vorticons
I wonder if there's a "long-hair" species of Vorticon?
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KeenRush
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(1/10/04 3:20 pm)
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Re: re: Vorticons
I doubt that, though I think there are other vorticons we didn't see in Keen games. (For example younger females than vorticon mothers..)
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Zorath 
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(1/10/04 10:54 pm)
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Heh, when I first played Keen 2 I didn't realize that the Vorticon Elites were vorticons. I thought they were some other race with pink faces, blue ears and and a blue nose.
I always thought that the vorticons had blue skin, not a fur - take a look at that thumb in the ending of keen 3!
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KeenRush
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(1/11/04 12:27 am)
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Re: re: Vorticons
LOL, yeah, they kinda like something bear or something like that..
You're right about the thumb, it looks like skin. But I still think that it's fur - some short one.
Oh, and I really like that picture. Everything's fine again (for a while)..
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RoboRed
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(1/11/04 1:03 am)
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Heh, when I first played Keen 2 I didn't realize that the Vorticon Elites were vorticons. I thought they were some other race with pink faces, blue ears and and a blue nose.
When I looked at their heads after I killed them, I thought that they were robots.
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RocketJess
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(1/11/04 2:31 am)
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Goofy is a dingo.
Erm... right. Dingoes are sandy-coloured. Goofy is black. Anyway, I read a Disney book ages ago that said he was a dog. Don't know if I would have ever realised he was a dog otherwise, because he doesn't seem like a particular animal, I guess, he's just Goofy and that's it...
And I think of Vorticons as being wolflike.
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RoboRed
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(1/11/04 4:50 pm)
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Re: re: Vorticons
Do you think that there might be any other species of Vorticon? Maybe different tribes?
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Djaser
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(1/11/04 5:16 pm)
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Erm... right. Dingoes are sandy-colored. Goofy is black. Anyway, I read a Disney book ages ago that said he was a dog. Don't know if I would have ever realized he was a dog otherwise, because he doesn't seem like a particular animal, I guess, he's just Goofy and that's it...
Mickey Mouse isn't grqy either. I thought that dingo's were a kind of a dog.
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I doubt that, though I think there are other vorticons we didn't see in Keen games. (For example younger females than vorticon mothers..)
Don't forget Keen has been all over their planet, I don't think there are more.
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Heh, when I first played Keen 2 I didn't realize that the Vorticon Elites were vorticons. I thought they were some other race with pink faces, blue ears and and a blue nose.
Unless these Vorticons are from one of the other Vorticon planets.
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KeenRush
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"Don't forget Keen has been all over their planet, I don't think there are more."
Well, he hasn't been on the other side of planet.. 
Yeah, and I almost forgot - good point Djaser - there are other Vorticon planets, we never know what's on them..
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Re: re: Vorticons
when i first started playing Keen, I thought the vorticons were kangaroos, and the vortibabies were puppies. I simply saw the vortimom to be an arrogant, fat, female animal (i don't know which one exactly  ).
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coyotes in sweatpants
for the longest time, i referred to them as "those things that look like coyotes in sweatpants." then I found out they're supposed to be called "vorticons."
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Djaser
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Well, he hasn't been on the other side of planet..
I think there is none. We paint the entire earth also as a circle.
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RocketJess
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Mickey Mouse isn't grqy either. I thought that dingo's were a kind of a dog.
You do get black mice...
And yes, dingoes are a type of dog, or more accurately a wolf (the dingo keeper at the wildlife park I visited last week was very insistent about that point).
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Djaser
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You do get black mice...
Maybe but I've read somewhere that Disney was inspired by his own gray mouse. Anyway if you look at his old cartoons than you'll he painted all animals black: horses, cows, ect. Except for that duck of course.
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CommanderSpleen
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(1/12/04 11:08 am)
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Ultraceptive.
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I think there is none. We paint the entire earth also as a circle.
And even then we only see half the planet at once... if you want to see the whole thing, it's usually portrayed on an elipse, or else something like ()()().
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Anyway if you look at his old cartoons than you'll he painted all animals black: horses, cows, ect. Except for that duck of course.
And Pluto... and Chip 'n Dale (My all-time favourite Disney characters)...
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when i first started playing Keen, I thought the vorticons were kangaroos, and the vortibabies were puppies.
Now that I think about it, the young Vorticons always used to remind of of puppies.
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And Pluto... and Chip 'n Dale (My all-time favourite Disney characters)...
But most of them are black.
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^ Yep.
Oh, and that vortimom reminds me of some ugly rat or something more than dog-styled thing.
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Their head looked like a vampire to me.
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Disney... Gimme Warner Bros. anyday! If not, a hefty dose of Ed, Edd 'n' Eddy, Cow and Chicken, I Am Weasel, or any other similar cartoon. I am also partial to anime.
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a hefty dose of Ed, Edd 'n' Eddy, Cow and Chicken, I Am Weasel, or any other similar cartoon. I am also partial to anime.
that's even worse!
IMHO, all children's cartoons are stupid.
Well, I, like MOST people, wake up one morning and wonder how I even bothered sitting down and watching that sort of crap! 
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oh, and before mickey mouse became mickey mouse... his name was... you said it!  Mouse!
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oh, and before mickey mouse became mickey mouse... his name was... you said it! Mouse!
Well, that's exactly the reason why I hate Walt Disney. Not exactly, but I reckon it's too cutesy for my tastes. I prefer stuff that has a little more 'attitude'.
Oh, before you crap on about my anime tastes, I must let you know that one of my favourites is Bubblegum Crisis: Tokyo 2040.
Moral of the story: If you can catch "Adult Swim" on Cartoon Network, then you've got some quality programming available.
Back on topic: To me, the Vorticons look more like a cross between dog and roo. Perhaps when Mort is finally defeated (in the Keen universe of course!) Commander Keen will reveal the Vorticons to the world.
Perhaps the Vorticons have the key to neverending peace? You never know...
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KeenRush
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Hmmm, that could make a nice mod anyways.
Never thought of that, but who knows, he could reveal vorticons to humans.. And not to mention other stuff..
But remember, Keen's on good side, and that means he is on every goods' side. He just doesn't take some vorticons and show them, unless they want to. And probably vorticons and other races Keen has seen know some things about us, because of their technology.
The point: Keen is equally on every good races' side. Humans are for him just one race in the group of billions and millions of universe..
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well, if you likes animes like BubblegumCrisis, i've got nothing against that. I mean, I know they're good, but just not interested.
Ooh, so CN has adult animation too? Oh yeah... i think during the last one or two weeks of 2003, i saw an 'M' rated anime, but couldn't understand why. It was childishly naughty though. As in the characters were kinda flirting but I've seen worse on The Simpsons  .
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About the Vorticon IV map - Since planets are round, you're probally really seeing about three quarters to three fifths of the planets surface. (Not taking into account the possibility of an irregular shape or any of the contours of the planet of course.) As for the resemblence of Vorticons to any Earth fauna, I don't recall giving it any serious thought, but I'd say they look like a cross between a dog and a kangaroo.
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I don't know. I think they probably look most like dogs, or maybe wolves... something along those lines. I think that (although it looks like skin) it could be fur as well. Or they could mostly have just skin, and have patches of fur, or something. Just because they have a furless finger doesn't mean they'd be completely furless, neccessarily 
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