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Q90 
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kMod: The Mod Development Studio (Programming ModCore)
>>> kMod/ModCore Forum <<<

...constantly updated post...
kMod/ModCore Development Thread
kMod will be the most stylish and functional modding suite out there - but first we have to get through all the programming crap. So modCore (the command-line-operated core) will be programmed first (in C++). But kMod will be programmed in Visual Basic.

ModCore Team:
grafix5000

kMod Team:
Q90
grafix5000
MultiMania?

Current Stage: Programming ModCore
ModCore will be the name of the system in which a series of VBASIC DLLs are inserted into a folder and are activated in kMod (a la foobar2000).
...constantly updated post...

Edited by: Q90  at: 3/5/05 12:00 am
grafix5000 
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Re: iMod: The Mod Development Studio (Assembling Team)
I'm in. Making the core into an ActiveX control might not be the best idea, but we'll see.

alex87 
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Re: iMod: The Mod Development Studio (Assembling Team)
Hello

LevelLord00
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Re: iMod: The Mod Development Studio (Assembling Team)
I'd like to volunteer for the part of Interested Observer.

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MultiMania 
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Assembling? Mmm... Assembler Code
I'll do some of the Import/Export Filters, Graphic extractors, Playtesting :mortlol

I'll also help code the blitting functions and all that.

Also; an ActiveX control is an idea. Perhaps multiple ActiveX Controls (eg. Vorticons Level Editor Control, Dreams Graphics Control)

MDI and Tabs could be quite hard wilthout Xceed Ultimate Suite; and I don't have any of those nice libraries.

We want Keen 7
We want it now!

Edited by: MultiMania  at: 12/21/04 1:36 pm
KeenRush 
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Re: Assembling? Mmm... Assembler Code
Hmmm, good luck with the project.. That's all I can say. :)

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memsys
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Re: Assembling? Mmm... Assembler Code
this is so cool :drool

z hyphen one
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Re: Assembling? Mmm... Assembler Code
Unfortunatelly I don't know VB at all. I could draw hi-color icons for you nothing else :D but I guess you don't need useless things like this in such an early stage.

grafix5000 
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Assemblify!
Graphics would be good in a stage nearer to finishing. I have a good idea for the logo and an awesome plan to make iMod infinitely extendable via importable forms.

EDIT: Proposed logo:
imod.bmp

Edited by: grafix5000  at: 12/21/04 8:05 pm
KeenRush 
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Re: Assemblify!
Let's hope this goes allright. This kind of project are big and require a lot work. :) Indeed, this is cool, and yes, naturally nice graphics would make it better.

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(12/21/04 8:51 pm)
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Re: Assemblify!
Do you call it iMod 'cos you like iMac or does it have a meaning?

KeenRush 
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Re: Assemblify!
Probably because if the 'i' trend.. iPod, iKeen, iGarg (hey, nice name idea.. :garg )

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Q90 
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iCheeburger
It means "Interactive Modding" (because it's gonna have a stylish XP-ish GUI). Oh, and here's a temporary logo until we find a better one:

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Edited by: Q90  at: 12/21/04 11:19 pm
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Re: iCheeburger
Stylish? Will it be convenient enough? :P
I shut up now :D

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Re: iCheeburger
I suggest something more simplistic and modern. like
imod.png

Well, maybe not like that. But I hate that 3D one.

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alex87 
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Re: iMod: The Mod Development Studio (Assembling Team)


theres mine. u might wanna add an effect on it though:evil

heres an example of a effect.


u can use the first one. but not the second one :D

Edited by: alex87  at: 12/21/04 11:38 pm
Q90 
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Re: iMod: The Mod Development Studio (Assembling Team)
I don't like the 3D one either; it's just a placeholder graphic. Now c'mon alex87, LET ME USE YOUR LOGO!!!!!!!!!

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alex87 
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Re: iMod: The Mod Development Studio (Assembling Team)
the first ones just as good :crazy

im using that type of design thingy in CKS3, but i guess it cant hurt if you use it too. you can add me 2 creds if u want, but its optional.

Lex ;)

MultiMania 
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I mod, you mod, we all mod with iMod
Excellent the site is up; although I am a little worried about the "Go to the About section for more info" bit as the About Section doesn't exist. :(

Anyway; when are we going to become a group of mindless programming zombies. Become a mindless programming zombie here!
:scary

So; I; MultiMANIA the Unconfirmed; unleash my programming powers on you all and say; "When do we begin programming?"

We want Keen 7
We want it now!

grafix5000 
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Bwah?
What about my logo? It's cool isn't it? Don'tcha think?

Oh yeah, and I want to be a confirmed programmer. If and when Boeing747 comes back, I'm sure he'll want to join up too.


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Edited by: grafix5000  at: 12/22/04 2:37 pm
LevelLord00
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Re: Bwah?
Q90: Well, it took two months of solid work, it strained freindships to breaking point, and tested our programming skill to the limit!

LL: You mean?...

Q90: Yes! We have a logo!

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KeenRush 
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Re: Niiiice.
I like the Shape. :)

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memsys
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Re: Niiiice.
/\ me too
q90 but why cant you make an tool to edit only keen and if you want to make a program to edit other games help szevvy :bloody

KeenRush 
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Re: Niiiice.
"and if you want to make a program to edit other games"
:no Has this project that kind of goals? If it has, I'd suggest to change the course; I have a bad feeling you will never finish the tool if you take other games than Keen there.. Level and graphic format cracking isn't that easy, you know.

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grafix5000 
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Re: Niiiice.
Thanks! Effectorizing of that logo will begin shortly.

Did you like the tutorial?


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alex87 
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Re: Niiiice.
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Did you like the tutorial?


it was alright i guess, but it didnt really help answering my questions about how to add effects to a image.

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grafix5000 
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Re: Niiiice.
Copy and paste your iMod image into Photoshop (the kMod logo will take more work) and do the steps described in the tutorial - use "Blending Options". It works on any layer.

I have guests today, but when I have more time I'll write you a better tutorial.


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KeenRush 
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Re: Niiiice.
If you upload that, I'll check it out too. :)

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Q90 
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Backed by popular demand...
iMod is now hereby known as kMod; as it will only mod Commander Keen games!

Edit: Oh yeah, and check out the first post.

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Edited by: Q90  at: 12/30/04 5:20 am
grafix5000 
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Re: Backed by popular demand...
Goodybe sweet iMod logos... :(

Oh yeah, does anyone have a good specification of the Keen 1-3 level file format?


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Edited by: grafix5000  at: 12/30/04 9:59 am
KeenRush 
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Re: Backed by popular demand...
I don't have any documents. I could donate perfect VB module for saving and loading, in case I wouldn't have lost my programs week earlier. :( But adurdin's Windows KeenEdit has sources, so you can check there the format. I'd like to make some doc of the format (and probably will), maybe when I'm home sometime..

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grafix5000 
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Re: Backed by popular demand...
It does? Good. I was going to email him for the source... :rolleyes


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Re: Backed by popular demand...
Tell me when you get the level format! It'd be interesting to see Keen's maps in my game. This way it could make it possible to convert them...
It'd only work with maps from 4-6 though... is there a known format for them?

grafix5000 
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Re: Backed by popular demand...
Boeing747 was getting some way towards creating a Keen 4-6 editor - all he needed was the compression stuff, which I did. (Sort of unsuccessfully, I plan to redo them for kMod)


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Re: Backed by popular demand...
Have he documented the map format? Can I have the source (or at least that part of the code)? Does he visit the forums time to time? Maybe I should ask him.

grafix5000 
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Re: Backed by popular demand...
I haven't seen Boeing around for some time. The binary and source is mirrored on my site at www.stephenarnott.plus.com/KEDFW.EXE, if you want to look.


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Re: Backed by popular demand...
Just one last question. How do I get the maps out of Keen in the format that this editor can open, or in any format at all? :blush

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Re: Backed by popular demand...
I've downloaded the program you've linked here, and my virus buster found a trojan namend Banker.EF. Just to inform anyone who want's to download it.

grafix5000 
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Re: Backed by popular demand...
Gulp... time for a virus scan. Hopefully it's server-side and not my PC's fault, 'cause Norton should have picked it up long ago. I'll double-check.

EDIT: Norton says no virus. I'll just go update it.


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Edited by: grafix5000  at: 12/30/04 10:04 pm
DasBrot
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Re: Backed by popular demand...
Ahhh!! A VIRUS INVASION!!!!
Vi.bmpVi.bmpVi.bmp
Another stupid spamming post...

Btw. my virus programme didn't noticed any virus.

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Edited by: DasBrot at: 12/30/04 10:18 pm
z hyphen one
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Re: Backed by popular demand...
Who knows, maybe it's just my virus shield program after all... but it doesn't let me keep the file, deletes it immediatelly :furious

grafix5000 
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Re: Backed by popular demand...
SOLUTION: I'll extract it and resubmit it as a .zip file.

EDIT: Here it is as a zip. (www.stephenarnott.plus.com/KEDFW.ZIP)


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Edited by: grafix5000  at: 12/30/04 10:35 pm
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Re: Backed by popular demand...
It works, thanks!

*EDIT* can this editor open original levels? I couldn't find it in the source. I can't program in VB and I don't like how it looks like either so maybe that's the problem.

Edited by: z hyphen one at: 12/30/04 11:00 pm
Q90 
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wtf?
Quote:
I can't program in VB

VB is so easy to program in, George Dubya Bush can do it.

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Re: wtf?
I never said it's hard just ugly as hell. :p Because this has nothing to do with anything but personal taste, please don't tell me that it's not true.

grafix5000 
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Re: wtf?
I find VB an easier language to write stuff in because I'm insulated from Windows programming, and becuase I don't have to remember to put semicolons at the end of lines. :)

Also, I can prototype faster in VB.

The editor cannot, at present, import exisiting levels. This is because there is no Carmack [de]compression method fully completed, as I have mentioned several times.


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Re: wtf?
Then it was pointless to download that stuff. :x So I ask again, does anybody know about the map format for Keen 4-6 and how to extract them from the game?

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Re: wtf?
I guess one man knows..
The name's adurdin.
You could just directly e-mail him, you can find the e-mail from the very end of this page:
andy.durdin.net/keen/

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Re: wtf?
why does he know so much about modding? Does he have some Super Hex-editor or something? Or the super secret Modkeen 3.0 that he doesn't want us to have?

Flaose
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Quote:
Originally Posted by: KeenRush
I guess one man knows..
The name's adurdin.

Well, if you remember from a bazillion years ago (when he pleaded to be called by this name), he is called Andrew (or Andy) Durdin. :p

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Re: wtf?
"why does he know so much about modding? Does he have some Super Hex-editor or something? Or the super secret Modkeen 3.0 that he doesn't want us to have?"

Probably neither of those.. Besides, adurdin wrote modkeens. (So, it probably wouldn't make him know more about modding if he'd wrote 3.0. :) )
Let's just say he's smart. 8)

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Re: wtf?
Well, then, let's focus on K1-3.

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alex87 
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Re: wtf?
WOW, cool editor! pitty i cant get it to work.

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DasBrot
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Re: wtf?
Hmm. That editor can create levels for keen4-6 but can't import them into the game,right? So it is useless (for me, because that stupid ted5 runs not even in dosbox).

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Edited by: DasBrot at: 1/3/05 11:36 am
KeenRush 
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Re: wtf?
Yes. Basically it is useless. :p

Life.. It's worth of 20000 points!

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Re: wtf?
What does it need to be useful? if there's a documentation somewhere then it can't be so hard to implement.

grafix5000 
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Re: wtf?
If you want it to be done, I might try and do the compression stuff myself. That still leaves someone to write the code that creates the header files for GAMEMAPS.CK*, though. If you want it to get done faster, email Boeing at boeing747 at sasha-online d0t de.


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adurdin
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Re: wtf?
If you guys are looking for info about the Keen file formats, the complete sources for ModKeen and Tedsetup are available from me, along with some docs I wrote describing the format.
Not to mention that the TED5 source (which has Carmack compression) is available from Apogee, and the Wolfenstein 3D source (which has Carmack decompression) is also available (perhaps from Apogee also--I don't remember).

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The Wolf source is hidden on the id FTP: ftp://ftp.idsoftware.com/idstuff/source/wolfsrc.zip

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Re: wtf?
The TED5 source, like any big program, is a little hard to decode. Some day I'll try and recreate those routines in VB. Until then, a good solid Keen: Vorticons editor is what we should focus on.


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The Passing of the Torch
grafix5000, you can now lead modCore development. I've got some other stuff to work on right now; although I'll still be really involved in it. And when kMod is ready to do, I'll definetely lead that. And if it's possible, modCore will be a command-line operated program, and that'll be open-source. But kMod, however, will not be open-source.

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