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Robo Blue Vorticon Elite Posts: 792 (11/8/03 10:30 pm) Reply	Secret in keen4 I found something relatively minor, but fairly new lurking within the depths of keen4. As some of you probably know, if you turn clipping off and go below the screen on the world map, then save your game and load it, you'll find a strip of blue, along with the four frames of the Miragia animation. One day I used the F10 Y cheat, and discovered something else: there are blocks in the shape of the word "subset!" Does anyone know of anything like this in any of the other games? I know that you can get into the underground area of keen6 by using the same technique. Official Keenbound Site Visit The Dos Vault Message Board. I'm an admin
Yowza Vortininja Posts: 148 (11/9/03 6:22 am) Reply	Re: Secret in keen4 Whoa, never seen that before. Interesting. After seeing that, I had a quick look in TED... I did a tile search to make it easier to see. Edited by: Yowza at: 11/9/03 6:26 am
KeenRush Photachyon Transceiver Posts: 4338 (11/9/03 7:30 am) Reply	Re: Secret in keen4 Ah, I know those map things, I was pretty suprised when I found out that saving in the map level border and loading and so on.. Cool! But that "subset" thing I can't remember I would have noticed. Dunno, but it's pretty interesting! By the way, it looks like "TSUBSET!" to me. What it does mean? Somekind if "inside-joke" of the Keen team? Keen mods, please!
Yowza Vortininja Posts: 149 (11/9/03 7:58 am) Reply	Re: Secret in keen4 True, it does look like 'TSUBSET!' there. In game though, the first T is not as noticeable. So, which one is it supposed to be... 'SUBSET!' or 'TSUBSET!'...
Robo Blue Vorticon Elite Posts: 794 (11/9/03 9:02 pm) Reply	Re: Secret in keen4 You can use the same trick in some levels to reveal the "block" or "edge of map" pictures. I used it one time in Crystalus and found some code sticking out of the bottom (below the edge of map block). I'll see if I can get to it again and take a screenshot. Edit: It took me a few minutes, but I figured out how to do it in regular levels. In Crystalus, I turned clipping off at the beginning and fell straight through the bottom of the room, into another one. I had some interesting results: apparently, when the "camera" is not focused on the area keen is in, the "scrolling" action doesnt stop at the edge of the level. When the "camera" is relocated (after you save and load) it isn't instucted of any boundaries around keen, so it starts with him squarely in the middle (or as close to the middle as possible, depending on additional boundaries). That's my theory. Official Keenbound Site Visit The Dos Vault Message Board. I'm an admin Edited by: Robo Blue at: 11/9/03 9:19 pm
Dr Villain Vortininja Posts: 72 (11/9/03 9:04 pm) Reply	Re: Secret in keen4 I don't know much about the inner workings of this game, but I think this is some sort of Sub-Tileset for setting the tiles to be used for Miragia and such. Hmmm... where's Adurdin? He'd probably know. If I cared more I'd research it, but I don't care to know. Villain Technologies Helping the Bad Guys since 2003
Xtraverse Stranded Fish Posts: 2526 (11/10/03 1:49 am) Reply	Re: Secret in keen4 The reason you see Miragia there is simple--the level you see in the plains is simply a sprite that reads the tiles from a specified location of the map (the place RoboBlue found by accident) and cycles every second or so. I'm sure these coordinates could be changed through patching. Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats you on experience -- Mark Twain spatang.com
Robo Blue Vorticon Elite Posts: 795 (11/10/03 3:58 am) Reply	Re: Secret in keen4 Very interesting... Do you think it would be possible to do that to other levels too? (assuming we could patch and edit the keen4 graphics) Official Keenbound Site Visit The Dos Vault Message Board. I'm an admin
KeenRush Photachyon Transceiver Posts: 4347 (11/10/03 4:48 am) Reply	Re: Secret in keen4 So, does that "tsubset!"-thing meant that? Yes, and those are for Miragia animation, like xtra said. I'm not sure can we do that for other levels, but I have a feeling that's specially coded for Miragia. Keen mods, please!
Yowza Vortininja Posts: 151 (11/10/03 6:17 am) Reply	Re: Secret in keen4 *Quote:* The reason you see Miragia there is simple--the level you see in the plains is simply a sprite that reads the tiles from a specified location of the map (the place RoboBlue found by accident) and cycles every second or so. I'm sure these coordinates could be changed through patching. Yeah, I know... I just figured everyone already knew that, so didn't bother pointing it out
0 UNFLEEXABLE 0 Vorticon Elite Posts: 1045 (11/15/03 10:51 am) Reply	Re: Secret in keen4 Hey guys! I'm back! Man, I gotta get back into keen! Yeah, I'm not surprised even if almost every keen fan knew about that. There's also a hidden elevator shaft at the top of the omegamatic, but it's nothing really. -- Damn the 1 minute delay! --
SupFanat Posts: 24 (3/7/04 5:23 pm) Reply	Such secret in keen6 I found such secret also in keen 6. Start the game, press F10-N (No clipping), go lower than low on map, save game, load it and you will be on other part of map, with levels Guard Post one, First dome of darkness, Second dome of darkness.
KeenRush Photachyon Transceiver Posts: 5212 (3/7/04 7:23 pm) Reply	Re: Such secret in keen6 I know that stuff too. I've got only one message for you: ++++++++[>+++++++++<-]>+++.------..+++++++++.
Xtraverse Stranded Fish Posts: 2799 (3/7/04 9:13 pm) Reply	Re: Such secret in keen6 That's because that is where the underworld is stored on the map, but there are scroll block tiles between the areas. Some people are pragmatists, taking things as they come and making the best of the choices available. Some people are idealists, standing for principle and refusing to compromise. And some people just act on any whim that enters their heads. I pragmatically turn my whims into principles. -- Calvin spatang.com
SupFanat Posts: 25 (3/8/04 6:00 am) Reply	Re: Such secret in keen6 *Quote:* That's because that is where the underworld is stored on the map, but there are scroll block tiles between the areas. *Quote:*
SupFanat Posts: 26 (3/8/04 6:01 am) Reply	Re: Such secret in keen6 *Quote:* That's because that is where the underworld is stored on the map, but there are scroll block tiles between the areas. I know.
LevelLord00 Vortininja Posts: 93 (3/8/04 10:28 am) Reply	Re: Such secret in keen6 The camera works by scanning each row or column of the level as keen progresses. When a loaded game is restored the camera is placed around Keen with some programmed limitations. When Keen moves the camera may scan a limitation causing it to 'flick' back. Keen often cannot see off the world map due to programming limits. One programming error where this breaks down is the LAST board on crystalus. Stand on the board and look down, then press enter. After the status box clears you should be able to see down right of the bottom of the level, past the 'edge of map' tiles. t subset stands for tile subset; part of a map or tileset refered to by a program (i.e IF sprite#33 = ANIM4 THEN DRAWTILE 333,334,386,387) It is common in most Id games, biomenace and dangerous dave have little door parts on the bottom of their levels for reference. I know more if anyones interested. "No one should be here" -Level Lord
Frenkel Vortininja Posts: 304 (3/9/04 5:07 pm) Reply	Bio Menace Bio Menace is not an id game
0 UNFLEEXABLE 0 aka Silly the Ghost Posts: 1569 (3/12/04 6:10 am) Reply	Re: Bio Menace try saving near that mimorck in lifewater oasis near the council member... > Hello Kiddies! I'm Silly the Ghost!
SupFanat Posts: 29 (3/12/04 6:24 am) Reply	The very down of Lifewater Oasis >try saving near that mimorck in lifewater oasis near the council member... I tried to to so. And i have seen many points, mimrock and "EDGE OF MAP" pictures at the very down of this level. That part is splited by scrollblock. That's why you can't see it unless you saved game there and reloaded game.
LevelLord00 Vortininja Posts: 118 (3/12/04 11:39 am) Reply	Re: The very down of Lifewater Oasis *Quote:* Bio Menace is not an id game I know that; its a licensed Keen engine, but it still uses the same system. "No one should be here" -Level Lord