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Too Much Spare Time 
King Slug
Posts: 588
(1/4/03 8:35 am)
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Thou Shalt Not Kill
Can you finish any episode of Keen without killing (=permanently disabling) any creatures/robots? So it's okay to blast an arachnut, because they recover from that. But you're not allowed to stun a Slug or a Sparky.
When a Shelley or a Shikadi Mine go kamikaze on you, that's okay, too.
"It wasn't my fault!" 
I know that the Pyramid of the Gnosticene Ancients is impossible to complete without killing a few slugs that block off switches at the end of some tunnels, which means that Keen 4 is impossible to finish without killing - because that level contains a Council Member.
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KeenRush 
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Posts: 1767
(1/4/03 8:48 am)
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Re: Thou Shalt Not Kill
What about Keen Dreams? They don't die! 
Well, I have tried that with Keen 4, 5 and 6, but I can't remember. But if I remember correct I finished one of them without killing anyone, and the others with few frags.
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KeenRush
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(1/4/03 9:49 am)
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Re: Thou Shalt Not Kill
I played with easy. I can beat all the normal Keen 4 levels without shooting anything, but in the secret level "Pyramid of the Forbidden" I need two bullets (because there are some slugs on my way and there's no way to go over or under them).
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KeenRush
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(1/4/03 10:35 am)
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Re: Thou Shalt Not Kill
Well, I played Keen 5 with easy, and I had to shoot two sparkys to get diamonds and one volte-face to get doorcard. And ofcourse some shikadi mines I had to blow up to destroy QED.
Those shockshunds in the final level were really annoying without shooting..
Oh, and I didn't visit the secret level because of Goplat Error it gives me.
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KeenRush
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Posts: 1776
(1/4/03 1:22 pm)
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Re: Thou Shalt Not Kill
I played Keen 6 with easy, and I had to kill 2 blooguards. And ofcourse those blooglets who have gems! I played all the levels and used IB a bit, but I could have used it more..
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KeenCommander
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Posts: 513
(1/4/03 2:52 pm)
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Re: Thou Shalt Not Kill
Awesome, Keenrush! I'm gonna try that.
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Vortininja
Posts: 158
(1/4/03 4:31 pm)
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Re: Thou Shalt Not Kill
I'm trying to go through Keen 4 on Hard collecting as little as possible (and doing pretty good too), but there are definately a number of slugs that must be shot. I'm conserving my ammo for the necessary enemies so I don't have to collect more, and for whatever reason, I decided not to kill Skypests either. I think you could pull it off in Keen Dreams, but it would be really tricky.
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Zorath
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Posts: 83
(1/5/03 2:21 pm)
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Re: Thou Shalt Not Kill
Fun challange! Here's my current results:
Keen 1
I had to shoot 4 gargs in the red maze level
Keen 2
1 vorticon in Washington DC
4 vorticons in Moscow
2 vorticons in Home B (with just one shot  )
2 vorticons in the upper-left level (again, with just one shot)
1 grunt in the lower-left level
1 space amoeba in Rome
Edited by: Zorath at: 1/5/03 2:22:35 pm
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KeenRush
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(1/5/03 3:20 pm)
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Re: Thou Shalt Not Kill
I'm not so good at those 1-3, but I will try those too.. And ofcourse Keen Dreams, that I got to try!
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KeenRush
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Posts: 1805
(1/5/03 8:10 pm)
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Re: Thou Shalt Not Kill
Yeah, I did it! I finished Keen Dreams without using any of those things that Keen throws (so, that means I didn't kill anything!). There was some hard places, and I really can say that I won't eat my vegetables ever again!!
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Vortininja
Posts: 166
(1/5/03 9:01 pm)
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Re: Thou Shalt Not Kill
What difficulty?
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Too Much Spare Time
King Slug
Posts: 599
(1/5/03 11:39 pm)
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Slugs must die
Hang on, I tried the Gnosticene Ancients Pyramid in Easy, and I HAD to kill those slugs that you have to get past to flick switched, but the ceiling is too low to jump over them.
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KeenRush
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(1/6/03 9:54 am)
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Re: Slugs must die
Oh, with easy, have to try with hard too..
And, TMST, that's where I had to shoot too..
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Zorath
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Posts: 84
(1/6/03 4:00 pm)
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A question...
May I save in the middle of a level?
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KeenRush
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Posts: 1818
(1/6/03 4:11 pm)
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Re: A question...
I saved.. Sometimes a lot!
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ChargingMoose 
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Posts: 148
(1/7/03 12:08 am)
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Re: Slugs must die
I don't know what you guys are talking about in the Gnosticene Ancients. I just completed it on easy and normal without killing one thing! You must have patients! I'm going to go try it on hard now...
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ChargingMoose
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(1/7/03 12:18 am)
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Re: Slugs must die
That didn't even take me very long to do it on hard! It seems like the slugs slime up the floor a lot more often on hard mode.
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KeenRush
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Posts: 1822
(1/7/03 3:15 pm)
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Re: Slugs must die
Yeah, I have noticed that slug thing too..
Did you completed every level including the secret one? Because there's even with easy two slugs that you can't jump over them.
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Too Much Spare Time
King Slug
Posts: 603
(1/8/03 4:44 am)
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Re: Slugs must die
Ok, in easy mode apparently the POTGA doesn't have any slugs that require stunning.
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KeenRush
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(1/8/03 3:32 pm)
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Re: Slugs must die
Guess who should read text a little bit more careful?
That's right. I.
Yeah, Pyramid of the Gnosticene Ancients is possible to go without shooting anything with easy mode (I don't know about others).
I meant that Pyramid of the Forbidden isn't possible because there are two slugs that you can't jump over!
Sorry about confusing!
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ChargingMoose
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Posts: 154
(1/8/03 6:19 pm)
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Re: Slugs must die
Did you not notice that the challenge was to complete each episode, not each level. The Pyramid of the Forbidden doesn't have a (required) council member. The Pyramid of Shadows however, I have found is harder than the Pyramid of Gnosticene Ancients (at least on hard mode, which is what I have been playing on to try this challenge, and I'm trying to not pick up any items (well, except key gems)).
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KeenRush
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Posts: 1839
(1/8/03 6:41 pm)
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Re: Slugs must die
No, haven't noticed that. But that makes it more easy!
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Vortininja
Posts: 174
(1/8/03 8:56 pm)
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Re: Slugs must die
Quote:
ChargingMoose wrote:
(at least on hard mode, which is what I have been playing on to try this challenge, and I'm trying to not pick up any items (well, except key gems)).
Enjoy. That's what my "CK4 Accomplishment!" post down there is about. Pain in the neck.
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Too Much Spare Time
King Slug
Posts: 607
(1/9/03 2:32 am)
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Episode (-:
Sand Yego and the POTMoons are arachnut-infested, but they don't have Gnosticenes to rescue. So one could possibly finish the game without having to stun anything temporarily, either!
Oh yeah, I am the king, I beat Miragia on hard, without firing a shot! Oooyeah! Nah nah nah 
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Vortininja
Posts: 176
(1/9/03 3:37 am)
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Re: Episode (-:
I did it first though...
Didja squish the Skypests?
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ChargingMoose
Vortininja
Posts: 155
(1/9/03 5:00 am)
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Re: Episode (-:
Quote:
Oh yeah, I am the king, I beat Miragia on hard, without firing a shot! Oooyeah! Nah nah nah
Oh yeah? Well I beat the whole game on hard without firing one shot and with only picking up 2300 points worth of candy, 13 drops, and 1 ammo charge. Yoo baa ma gra! 
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KeenRush
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Posts: 1841
(1/9/03 6:21 pm)
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Re: Episode (-:
By the way one question!
Is it allowed to use short cuts on the levels if you know some?
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Vortininja
Posts: 181
(1/9/03 9:44 pm)
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Re: Episode (-:
Charging Moose: But did you beat every level? Hmmm?
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ChargingMoose
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(1/9/03 10:12 pm)
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Re: Episode (-:
No, but that wasn't part of the original challenge. Yeah yeah, I know. I'm sure I could beat all of the levels except the Pyramid of the Forbidden without shooting.
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Vortininja
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(1/9/03 11:17 pm)
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Re: Episode (-:
Try to beat Sand Yego on Hard, without shooting anything, collecting anything avoidable, and no squishing Skypests either. You can't do it. Speaking of which, were Skypests free game or were they just avoided?
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ChargingMoose
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(1/10/03 2:08 am)
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Re: Episode (-:
Yep, you're right, Sand Yego is also impossible on hard. I avoided skypests as well, when I did all of the required levels to beat the game.
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KeenCommander
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(1/10/03 4:09 am)
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Re: Episode (-:
TMST, in Miragia, you grabbed goodies, right? Cuz in at least 1 place, I can't see how it'd be possible NOT to grab either a neural stunner, or a water drop...
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ChargingMoose
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(1/10/03 5:33 am)
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Re: Episode (-:
I chose to grab a drop there in Miragia
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KeenRush
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(1/10/03 6:27 am)
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Re: Episode (-:
There's lot's of arachnuts hunting you in Sand Yego with hard..
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Tony Gies
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Posts: 176
(1/11/03 7:05 am)
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Oh YEAH?
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I did it first though...
Didja squish the Skypests?
I did this all a long time ago, in 1994. DANG, that was hard.
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KeenRush
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(1/11/03 7:49 am)
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Re: Oh YEAH?
Nice to see you again!
There are millions of computer players (I think) and Keen 4 is free. Maybe some others than we in the Keen community have done that..
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